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Offline Widewing

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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2005, 01:20:15 AM »
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[sarcasm] Right, Mako... I think it's obvious to everyone that 'retreating' the CV is what only ack-huggers and 2-bit cowards would do. A really skilled L33T vet would never do such a thing. He would up a (usually disadvantaged in performance) CV-based plane and fight with the most powerful land-based planes even against bad odds, and keep on fighting, until the CV is sunk. Since the CV keeps on sinking when you fight like that, it could only mean that the CV is too damned weak! [/sarcasm]


Any time you can sink a carrier via machine gun fire and light cannons, something smells. You could strafe an Essex class CV with every Bf 110 in the Luftwaffe and not affect its water tight integrity one iota. In Aces High, you can sink a CV with several 110s.... To sink a ship you must degrade the hull integrity below the waterline. That's not possible with the popguns mounted in fighters. Another fact: No aircraft carrier was ever sunk by heavy bombers. I can't find a single instance where a major surface ship underway was sunk by heavy bombers. It's too damn hard to hit a moving target. But, not in Aces High where we have a super-simple, super-accurate laser designating bombsight that that can put a bombload on a single hanger from 30,000 feet. In the real world, getting 20% of your bombs within 1,000 yards of the target was considered exceptional. CV damage is over-simplfied, being cumulative, but disregarding effectiveness of the weapons. With the current damage system, you could sink a CV with a .45 cal pistol assuming you had an inexhaustable supply of ammunition.

Having spent several years flying off of carriers for a living, I could write a 10 page essay on what's not right with the game regarding ships and carrier ops.

For example, the CV turns, and any aircraft rolling on the deck will continue straight, as if the deck was some magical frictionless material delivered to earth by aliens. We have arresting wires that will slingshot aircraft off the rear of the flight deck. Our CVs don't roll or pitch. There's no burble of turbulance off of the CV's superstructure. The total number of anti-aircraft guns is only a fraction of what were installed on a CV. When a CV turns, it spends several minutes zig-zagging back and forth while the escorts reform. In the real world, the CV turns to a new course and only the escorts maneuver to regain their assigned stations.

Sorry, but the CV ops aspect of the game is pure arcade.....Worse that the GV aspect, and that's saying something.

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Offline Rino

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« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2005, 04:45:23 AM »
Not sure if it counts as heavies sinking capital ships but the
Japanese did sink the Repulse and Prince of Wales with level
bombers.  I believe they were Nells, but don't quote me on that.
     
     The Japanese heavies were considered in the medium class
by the allies.

     Then there were the Tirpitz attacks by the Lancasters..
admittedly it wasn't moving at the time.
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Offline mars01

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« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2005, 10:33:57 AM »
Eaxactly Widewing!!

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And yet, the total ordnance required to kill the CV remains unchanged despite numerous suggestions, which, under your logic, implies that HT has less than a half brain?


ps) btw, maybe carriers are ineffective because people don't know how to use them. Are you sure you, know how to use them?
Huh huh, duh yeah Kweassa, I'm saying HT has less than huh half a brain aaaaaa duhhhhh.  Stupid! :rolleyes:

Nice try Kweassa, I see Long Drawn Out Post Anonymous is paying off for you.:D

Ok so since the majority of the toolshedders just drive CVs up to the base, because A) they are morons, B) they have to use the guns, C) they have to get close enough for troops...  Does not mean there is not a problem with the ineffectiveness of carriers in direct result to them being too soft.  Again nice try.  Personally you didn't use enough smoke and could have used one or two more mirrors.  lolh

To follow your logic even further, do you honestly think that once the enemy has spotted a CV, even if you back it out, they are not going to find it.  Pleeeeeaaaaaasssseeeeee.  You act like the map's seas are vast like  IRL.  They are not.  As soon as the base starts flashing and all people see are carrier planes the jig is up the bombers are out and you can count the minutes no matter what you do with the CV till it is dead.  

And I’m sure you can’t see how ludicrous it is that someone can up 3 buffs and dive bomb the CV and drop it with pinpoint accuracy.  Yeah that’s not out of balance.

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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2005, 10:52:47 AM »
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And I’m sure you can’t see how ludicrous it is that someone can up 3 buffs and dive bomb the CV and drop it with pinpoint accuracy.  Yeah that’s not out of balance.


3 buffs?  why waste the pretty planes?  Strafe it with 202s.  Hmmm, maybe I should set up a sink CV with 202s mission tonite?  wonder how manu runs it would take.
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2005, 10:59:29 AM »
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3 buffs? why waste the pretty planes? Strafe it with 202s. Hmmm, maybe I should set up a sink CV with 202s mission tonite? wonder how manu runs it would take.
LOLH - Three buffs for guys that hate a challenge.  LOLH.

Yeah I'm with you man.  The whole strafe a carrier get the kill thing is completely wrong and kills carrier game play.  But no they aren't too soft hahaha  Looks at Kwe  :rolleyes:


Again most of this goes back to guys that don't want fun, long, challenging fights and guys that do. If I didn't want to fight for bases then I would also want cities to be easily suppressed and captured, carriers to be completely neutered and useless, airplane factories so I could stop the other team from being able to fly any planes etc.   :rofl
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« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2005, 12:37:54 PM »
I don't know guys,every time i use la7 i kill more than one plane,too bad it's very hard to land those kils couse if la7 in sight everyone tryes to shoot lala first and then deal with others.
I don't believe anybody who said that he's not afraid of la7.

Just wait till i master it...................
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« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2005, 12:49:26 PM »
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I don't believe anybody who said that he's not afraid of la7.


I'm certainly not affraid of an La-7. Admittedly my KD against them isn't much to brag about, but La-7 v. Yak-9U fights are my absolute favorite.

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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2005, 01:31:48 PM »
Only afreaid of Spits.  Proly because of the people that fly them
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« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2005, 01:57:59 PM »
I'm afraid of pairs of high Knight A20's flying in close formation. :)

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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2005, 02:25:43 PM »
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I'm afraid of pairs of high Knight A20's flying in close formation. :)

<...runs away screaming like a little girl...>


You are talking about Bullz and Cobia38, I love killing those guys! :D
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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2005, 02:39:21 PM »
Fear The Hellcat and P-40!!!!

I fear no plane. I'll fight anyone anytime no matter what advantage you have

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« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2005, 02:48:02 PM »
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Fear The Hellcat and P-40!!!!

I fear no plane. I'll fight anyone anytime no matter what advantage you have


P40 sucks!
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« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2005, 02:49:21 PM »
I fear em all!  :D  Especially when I can't lose em in one or two jinks lolh

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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2005, 03:06:29 PM »
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I see you ignorance hasn't improved either.  Go back under your rock Hubert.  Carriers are too soft, most people with half a brain know this.  If you broke away from your horde you might find it out for yourself.

Someone is listening, you, genius.  Your moronic comparison to real life is what is really stupid.  Don't worry if carriers were toughened up you could still fly around hiding amonst your fifty friendlies.

The poundage doesn't mean a thing if the carriers are not affective, which they are not.


Were you abused as a child?  Perhaps mistreated by your schoolmates?  Why haven't you made it past the "trenchcoat mafia" stage of life and realized that other people can have legitimate opinions, too?  Do you feel threatened by that concept?  Does it touch your lack of self esteem?

Get hold of yourself, man.  You need to harness and master the anger inside.  Perhaps you should seek professional help.

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« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2005, 03:11:29 PM »
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I fear em all!  :D  Especially when I can't lose em in one or two jinks lolh


I have no problems losing anyone.  Event the best when they are d200.  My biggest problem is that they don't seem to lose me :lol
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.