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Offline JB88

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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2005, 11:09:47 PM »
had to be done.  it was scratching at the very base of my soul.

heres mine.

me- hi.  my name is august.

them -hi.  im september.

me- never heard that before.

them - really?!
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2005, 01:47:01 AM »
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If you are talking about the Shiavo case..Here is another view on that....If you look at it..or govt was set up with checks and balances...but there never really been a check of the judicial part...since there hasn't been...the judicial part of state and federal govt assumes it is autonomous...that is not the case..if they can check the executive or legislative..then the other two brances can and should be able to chech the judicial...like I said just another view on that



The other branches can check the judicial. They just cant do it by making unconstitutional law...
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2005, 03:05:18 AM »
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The other branches can check the judicial. They just cant do it by making unconstitutional law...


But the judicial can impose unconstitutional views on citizens, regardless of the laws or rights granted. They can then refuse to even consider a petition by the citizenry on that issue. Where is the limitation of power on the judicial branch?
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2005, 03:15:23 AM »
A national ID would prevent moronic mishaps like were posted some time earlier.. With confusing people that had exactly the same name. I wouldn't want to be called James Smith and then guessing which Smith's bill or parking ticket I'd be paying next.

Didn't one guy go to jail for false identificaition? There's nothing but benefits in having a system like that. All your visits in government agencies will be much simplier and much less red tape in general.

Now for the biometric part, that is an overkill for sure. That's way too invasive already IMO but the rest of the information will benefit you, not hurt you.
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2005, 08:01:42 AM »
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What true reductions in freedom are there? Think about it..like someone posted before...your drivers license is in a national database now.... Thats how a COP in Cali..can arrest you for a warrant in Virginia...What difference would a national ID card make?..now if tey start putting up roadblocks on state and city boarders and make you present your ID to pass..then it becomes a problem.


I'm curious about how that works in the US. I understand for criminal warrants, but what about stuff realted to driving codes?
Like tickets? If someone owes tickets in , say, Florida, and they get stopped in Vermont, does Vermont hold the guy and get payment for Florida? What happens?

Just wonderin.
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2005, 08:09:50 AM »
No...that kind of jurisdiction doesn't exist...however..if your driver's license is suspended or revoked..then they can take action.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2005, 08:27:38 AM »
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No...that kind of jurisdiction doesn't exist...however..if your driver's license is suspended or revoked..then they can take action.


So if someone moved from FLA, to Vermont and had a bunch of tickets back in FLA, Fla, would suspend his liscence due to unpaid tickets and Vermont would then refuse to issue him a liscence till the FLA stuff was cleared up?
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2005, 08:31:55 AM »
Yes.
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2005, 08:38:11 AM »
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Yes.


Rgr. thanks.

I didn't think someone could go around racking up tickets in every state.
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2005, 09:10:29 AM »
whats wrong with a passport?
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Offline Habu

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2005, 09:14:34 AM »
ID cards work very well.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union showed that.

If they were good enough for Nazi Germany then they are good enough for the US I say.

After all if Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner III (R-Wis.) says that uttering an indecent word on the radio is such a big threat to the fabric of the US that criminal prosecution should be the result, then what are a few ID cards?

"People who are in flagrant disregard should face a criminal process rather than a regulator process," Sensenbrenner said. "That is the way to go. Aim the cannon specifically at the people committing the offenses, rather than the blunderbuss approach."

I am not making this up either.
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2005, 09:19:07 AM »
Why not just brand us all at birth and get it over with.  That's where it's going.
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2005, 09:23:46 AM »
With the biometric id's you're already branded at birth. :aok

Most european countries have had ID cards for decades by the way and don't seem to suffer any side effects.
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2005, 09:47:24 AM »
A barcode tattooed across the forehead would do it, plus supermarket scanners at every crossroads with microchips injected into our arse cheeks so every time we sit down biometric readers transmit vital statistics to a huge central computer. Then the next time we’re trying to buy donuts the cashier can decline the sale on the grounds of health.
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2005, 10:33:40 AM »
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Where is the limitation of power on the judicial branch?



same as the US President, Impeachment.
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