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Offline MiloMorai

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« on: April 07, 2005, 10:51:15 AM »
This was posted on another board

"During the last big trial of Mr. Irving one of the witness expert testimonies (for the defense - who was Deborah Lipstadt) was provided by Richard Evans, a British historian, who was asked, among other topics, to research on Irvings historiographic methods dealing with Dresden. It's a fairly long reading but non-the-less very interesting.

http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/evidence/evans005.asp

Worth the read. Irving's method is very simular to a poster here.
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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2005, 11:06:24 AM »
Will you two ever stop your personal feuds?
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2005, 11:41:07 AM »
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Will you two ever stop your personal feuds?


Never. Proving to each other that the Spit is really better thna the 109 (or vice versa) is the most imprtat thing to these guys.

Apparently...

Anyway GS, whats up man? How's Norge?
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2005, 12:20:49 PM »
Here's a link to a long thread originating at the Axis History Forum in the Holocaust & 20th Century War Crimes Section.

The thread is entitled:

The End Of David Irving

Here's a link to two threads about Dresden. FYI they are long as well.

The first is again from AHF:

Was Dresden bombing "Terrorism"?"

and from the Feldgrau Forums

Bombing of Dresden--no trial for Butcher Harris?

But this thread isn't about anything other then Milo stalking a certain poster around the net from forum to forum.

It's not like this forum is the only one where the original poster of this thread seeks out 'his buddy'. This is the only one that allowed the nonsense to progress as far as it has here.

But he will just come back under a different shade should any moderation be enacted.
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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2005, 02:25:42 PM »
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Never. Proving to each other that the Spit is really better than the 109 (or vice versa) is the most imprtat thing to these guys.

 


BS. I never claimed the Spit was better than the 109. The only one who claimed  one was better than other is your fellow Luftluver. So one is a Spit lover if one defends the crap that is posted by this well known anti-British hater.:rolleyes:

Stalking Wotan? My, my you do have a vivid imagination. Now be a good little luft lover and stay out of the thread if you can't comment on what the links says. You do seem to be stalking me.:eek:

Considering the comments he has made here regarding Dresden, it was a fair comment about your very good bud as one sees a parallel between him and Irving.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2005, 03:15:14 PM »
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this well known anti-British hater.:rolleyes:


Is that a person that hates anyone who is anti-British?  You guys are on the same side and did not even know it :)
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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2005, 02:24:27 AM »
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Never. Proving to each other that the Spit is really better thna the 109 (or vice versa) is the most imprtat thing to these guys.

Apparently...

Anyway GS, whats up man? How's Norge?


Snow has melted so Norge looks like crap right now. After spring cleaning and after things start to grow again it will be all good again.

How are things at your end? If I'm not mistaken you don't have much seasonal shifts in climate in Cali?
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2005, 12:17:39 PM »
f* dresden.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2005, 12:24:15 PM »
You did.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2005, 12:43:38 PM »
good.
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2005, 01:10:47 PM »
f* london.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2005, 01:41:36 PM »
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f* london.


you are free to your opinion, i accept that.

as far as i am concerned, the nazi's (nothing against the non nazi's) deserved everything they got - should accept the consequences of what they started.

why is there no whining that the americans firebombing of tokyo that killed 100k civilians is a war crime?
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2005, 01:42:51 PM »
London Calling, and it's still there.

I remember a conversation I had with a former LW wingco. I saw an Irving book in his shelf. I asked about it, he grinned, and said, "if you Read Irving, you have to read it from a good distance"

Anyway, the first bombing that caused such a firestorm was Hamburg. The British did not know it, but after the war the information came from the surviving German High command, that if the raid had been repeated like 2 times in some short time with similar effect, Germany would have had no option but to resign.
Well, the Brits did not quite know this, and they had some big political fights about issues like this.
FYI, London was getting very close to a civilian revolt during the autumn of 1940.

What saddens me though is to see that on the "anniversary" of that day in Dresden, there were 3000 neo-Nazis marching the streets.
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2005, 01:45:08 PM »
yes angus. sucks that neo nazis spoiled that.

i have nothing against mourning the raid, but expecting an apology from the british is an insult, they can piss right off.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2005, 01:52:10 PM »
Hey Furbie ;)
Bear in mind that Dresden is also bombed after the absolute discovery af the Nazi camps. There was heat and fury in the air, and not much mercy if the war's end could be sped up.
Didn't work though, and neither did Tokyo, although Hiroshima seemed to be ugly enough to work.

BTW, my wife's grandparents moved out of Dresden right before the bombing. Germany was on it's knees, and her grandpa felt it was somewhat strange that Dresden hadn't been hit badly yet. He figured it would be happening soon, and they moved.
(Lucky him....and me ;))

On my living room wall there is a painting of Dresden as it looked before the bombing.

All sad, and shreck THE NAZIS!
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)
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