Chinese begin to worry U.S. militarily

[Nash]

Originally posted by Seagoon
b. The non-Christian presupposes “Chaos and Old Night,” or the self-existence of matter in some sense.- SEAGOON

That's not correct Seagoon, my friend.

86% of the world's population are religious. 33% are Christian.

Meaning that, other than the 14% of the world's population who believe in nothing, there are more non-Christians that believe in God than there are Christians.

Hence, many more "non-Christians" do not presuppose "chaos and old night" compared to Christians.

Does your not recognizing this suggest that they're irrelevant because the brand of religion is not your own?

[Raven_2]

to 6GunUSMC

>>The communists under stalin LITERALLY killed double the number of people in political or cultural purges than hitler killed jews, gays and gypsies!

Stalin rule costs USSR less then 2.000.000 lives. According to opened archives. ~600.000 were shot (and ~90% were shoted by court decission, not by Stalin order). Others dies in prisons/camps. Mostly during 41-43 when there were not enough food, all goes for front.

All this numbers (20.000.000, 40.000.000, 60.000.000) were BEFORE archives were opened. Now all of this so-called "historians" keep silence.

>>No telling how many MILLIONS were killed by the communist Chinese during their purges...

Umm. "Cultural revolution" when all peoples with higher education were killed and all universities/schools were closed for 3 years was a grim time, I think.

I wonder: how many chinese emmigrants we have now in Russia/Europe/USA if there were no purges, borders were opened and there were no birth control? Maybe, whole world already became A Big China Republic in this case?

>>Those of you who are gullable enough to believe Red China or any other Communist regime is a friend really needs to dig into the history books...

History books are differ from country to country as we already find out into that >1000 posts thread :-) None of them are objective.




BTW, american posters, think about Tegeran-Moscow-Pekin axis (and maybe Berlin-Tegeran-Moscow-Pekin-Tokyo axis if our diplomats would working really good). Still belive that nuclear weapons or NATO bases can defend you from losing in such scenario? After joint Iran/Russia/China nuclear bombarding USA would look like a moon surface :-) No offence, just guess how things can evolve.

[NUKE]

After joint Iran/Russia/China nuclear bombarding USA would look like a moon surface :-) No offence, just guess how things can evolve. [/B]

lol!

[Toad]

You have to excuse Raven; he lives in an alternate universe.

[Raven_2]

to Toad

>>You have to excuse Raven; he lives in an alternate universe.

Well, I should shatter your dreams :-) I live on the same planet you do and guys like me have second place (by number of sits) in russian parliament :-) And on next ellection we can be first. So-o-o.... :-)

Toad, this post about "moon surface" was a joke, noone would be so stupid to start nuclear war, even Iran/China/Russia government. And maybe (who knows?) even Bush. But his stupidity is go so far for now, so I don`t sure on this :-)

To talk serious, China-Russia and Russia-Iran alliances are possible in near future. And this would be a very undesirable thing for USA. Cause this would mean end of USA world hegemony (and USA ecconomic collapse as well, at least short-term, cause China now is whole-world factory).

Imagine now that Japan ask USA to leave Okinawa and Germany became national state again (i.e. search for it`s own prosperity, not for EU-economic-engine/USA-forces-base role) and you have a very ticklish situation. And with USA really stupid foreign policy you now get USA-haters trought whole world, so this scenario is possible.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raven_2
to Toad

guys like me have second place (by number of sits) in russian parliament :-) And on next ellection we can be first. So-o-o.... :-)

Now that's the first thing you've posted that is really scary.

I guess we better get ready  for another Cold War with a bunch of delusional Stalinists from an alternate universe.

It saddens me on this lovely day.

[-dead-]

Originally posted by Thrawn
dead, any particular reason you blithely pass by my post about  Cowperthwaite.  Or does it just not fit in you agenda?

Well partly because he hasn't had any say on the economy for 34 years: one might just as well ascribe the whole thing to Opium and tea, as that's the real root cause behind the Hong Kong economy. But also because whatever influence he had is irrelevant to the statement: The fact remains Communist China is home to the World's freest economy, Cowperthwaite or no. I make no claims as to who may or may not be behind this fact. Also it was kinda an off-topic digression: the thread's about the PLA & Cross Straits - not the HK economy in the 60's.
 
But you're right: it doesn't fit into my agenda of annoying the frothier republican with the awkward fact that communists own the world's freest economy. Come to that, it doesn't fit into the space allocated for location in vbulletin either.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by -dead-
The fact remains Communist China is home to the World's freest economy, Cowperthwaite or no. I make no claims as to who may or may not be behind this fact.

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm

If it's so free, why is China listed as "mostly unfree" in economic freedom in the link you provided? In fact, China is listed as the 112th most "free"

So, you are pretty much ignoring your own source for your statement that China is the most free economy. China is not even close.

[Raider179]

Personally I miss the good old cold war. You knew who your enemies were and you knew who you allies were. This bunch of junk going on these days is rough on everyone. Now allies turn on you and enemies are your friends. China I say we let them fight Taiwan 1 on 1.

[-dead-]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Oboe: The CSA was a rather different kettle of fish. With Taiwan we are talking about a state that has been free and self-governing for over 50 years, and which has developed into a flourishing democracy. Also in regards to Taiwan we are talking about protecting a democracy from being conquered by a totalitarian communist regime. I really don't want to get into a Civil War discussion, but the south was not about to lose fundamental god-given human freedoms by remaining part of the USA. There I would say that intervention was a far more ambiguous issue, in this case however, I think that at least most of us agree that free Taiwan has a right to both existence and self-determination. We are however split on whether we are actually willing to die to defend them.

- SEAGOON

Define free and self-governing.

If your definition of free and self-governing is being under martial law most of the time, with no elections and any opposition oppressed, then you're fine:

Taiwan was under martial law from April 1948 until July 1987.

Opposition parties were legalised in 1989.

It held its first election with opposition parties allowed 14 years ago, its first presidential election 9 years ago.

Let alone the rather more thorny problem of the Taiwanese and the aborigines being repressed by the KMT (Taiwan's ruling party 1945-1996). When Taiwanese protestors called for self governance in 1947, the KMT killed between 18,000-28,000 (depending on accounts) Taiwanese protestors.

[-dead-]

Originally posted by NUKE
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm

If it's so free, why is China listed as "mostly unfree" in economic freedom in the link you provided? In fact, China is listed as the 112th most "free"

So, you are pretty much ignoring your own source for your statement that China is the most free economy. China is not even close.

Is Hong Kong listed as the first most free? Is Hong Kong in China? Start again: think carefully.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by -dead-
Is Hong Kong listed as the first most free? Is Hong Kong in China? Start again: think carefully.

Is China listed seperatey on that list? Think carefully.

China is in fact listed as mostly unfree.

[NUKE]

Here is what the site has to say about China and it's mostly unfree economy. China is listed as 112th.

Mostly unfree China

And China is not the reason Hong Kong is a free market. Hong Kong is free because they were able to develope without Chinese control and restrictions.

To say that communist China is home to the worlds most free economy is a complete farse and you know it.

Wow, look at China's scores. Not very free if you ask me. They don't even ensure private property rights.

Trade Policy4.0
Fiscal Burden4.1
Government Intervention3.0
Monetary Policy1.0
Foreign Investment4.0
Banking and Finance4.0
Wages and Prices3.0
Property Rights4.0
Regulation4.0
Informal Market 3.5

[-dead-]

Originally posted by NUKE
Is China listed seperatey on that list? Think carefully.

China is in fact listed as mostly unfree.

And do I make any claims about the freeness or otherwise of the Chinese economy? Start again: think carefully.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by NUKE
Is China listed seperatey on that list? Think carefully.

China is in fact listed as mostly unfree.

china has and china is

difference: that man HAS a popsicle, that man IS a popsicle. that mans popsicle is the coldest object on earth, that man HAS the coldest popsicle on earth, that man IS the coldest popsicle on earth.


hope that cleared it up.