Chinese begin to worry U.S. militarily

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Originally posted by Toad
Nah, just let the Taiwanese buy stuff on the open market and lie about what they're buying. They can say they're buying subs with conventional warheads from the Russians but of course they'd be getting nuke warheads.

The lying goes on all the time, it's going on right now. Everyone smiles and pretends it's the truth.

The Chinese wouldn't know for sure if the Taiwanese had nukes or not.

As for a Chinese threat to the US, we'd merely assure them that we have nothing to do with Taiwan anymore. Further, we assure them that if the Chinese shoot at us, they will receive our full nuclear arsenal in return. Only in reply, of course.

MAD all over again.

It'll get us by the next 50 years or so. We can think up something different then.

Remember the other bit of the Cuban thing? The trade embargo, the blockade? Taiwan might not enjoy 40% of its trade suddenly stopping. And little Islands are always open to being blockaded. Of course, on the international law front - there's really nothing wrong with blockading your own territory. Indeed, you could get away with selling it as a clamp-down on smuggling, as Taiwan doesn't pay the PRC customs duties.

[Rolex]

When was the last time you were in China, NUKE or Seagoon? Just curious.

[Thrawn]

"Communist China, home of the world's freest economy"

Thanks to the Cowperthwaite, not Communist China.  But don't bother to mention that eh?

[Raider179]

Originally posted by -dead-
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The point remains that if no one knows you have them, they're not a deterrent.

Actually thats not quite true. Not knowing whether a country has them or not is quite the deterrent. North Korea?

[Raider179]

Originally posted by -dead-
Remember the other bit of the Cuban thing? The trade embargo, the blockade? Taiwan might not enjoy 40% of its trade suddenly stopping. And little Islands are always open to being blockaded. Of course, on the international law front - there's really nothing wrong with blockading your own territory. Indeed, you could get away with selling it as a clamp-down on smuggling, as Taiwan doesn't pay the PRC customs duties.

Don't think it would work. Its either gonna be a full scale war or its not gonna be anything. Taiwan and China are both armed to the teeth.

[simshell]

i would like to ask could Taiwan win such a war with the US giving full support such as some Carrier Groups?

[Toad]

There were rumors way back when about Israel, South Africa and Taiwan all being in on the test in the Southern Indian Ocean back in '79.

 Have  your intel agency check that out.


As for a blockade, I'm sure that'd be one way to get the question decide in the short term. Both sides could see if they really want to fight over it.

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by Rolex
When was the last time you were in China, NUKE or Seagoon? Just curious.

Hi Rolex,

Wish I had more time to respond to this thread but Saturday is the next to busiest day of my week.

In answer to your question as far as mainland China, never. Closest I've come was a visit to Hong Kong in the late 80s. My father's company does trade rep. work for the PRC (search on "Marston Webb" and "Victor Webb" on the web) most recently handling the Chinese "name brands" launch  here in the US, so he is over to Beijing and back frequently. Admittedly, while I get oportunities to discuss China issues with him we don't agree much on politics and are a diameter removed on worldview/religion issues, but as is the case with the members of this board I appreciate his input.

I also keep in touch with missionaries in the PRC and HK and have had several chances to discuss conditions in both places, especially as far as religious freedom is concerned. Therefore,  I must with all due respect reply that Dead's contention that freedoms have grown since the takeover is hooey. Everyone I've spoken to agrees that operating in Hong Kong (which used to be the "gateway" to China as far as Bibles and other banned materials are concerned) is becoming more difficult everyday.

In March, a friend of mine from seminary, Chinese Pastor Bob Fu (who fled to the US with his wife to escape persecution in China) was quoted at length on the ongoing decline by the Christian Post: Religious Liberty in China Deteriorating

This is confirmed by the reports of secular human rights groups monitoring HK & China. For instance check out Forum 18 on China sometime.

Anyway Rolex, I cannot and will not claim to be any great authority on China, I only have what I have read and anecdotal reports to go on rather than a lot of first hand experience. But to say that what I have gleaned to date is alarming would be a major understatement. Let's just say, I thank God that I pastor a church here and not in the PRC. If I pastored a church in Taiwan, I'd be preparing for quite a storm...

- SEAGOON

[NUKE]

Originally posted by JB88
ya, i know nuke... i mean look at this page.

note.  the joowenn post mysteriously vanished after i posted that.

lol.

hit it on the mark i'd say.  good for me.

The funny thing is that I didn't even know what you were talking about when you said joowenn until just now. I just figured it was another of your off topic, off the wall statements.

[NUKE]

Rolex, never been to China.

[oboe]

Seagoon,

Reading your views here leads me to believe that you might believe Britain and France should've intervened in the Amercian Civil War to protect the Confederacy?     It had as much right to exist as Taiwan, did it not?

[6GunUSMC]

We should have let Doug McArthur do the job in '51... sooner or later we are gonna have to do it anyway.

Sad though that we arent selling sophisticated weapons to a country that has been a steadfast ally to us in all of these years.  Chang-Kai-Shek was no prince among men... TRUE but the freedom-loving people of The Republic of China have been the genuine best friends of the U.S. since they set up government there.

The Communist Chinese on the other hand have actively participated in wars against the US, conducted massive political and cultural purges in their countries and rolled tanks over its' own people!

The communists under stalin LITERALLY killed double the number of people in political or cultural purges than hitler killed jews, gays and gypsies! Stalin was the greatest human rights violator and criminal in the history of the world!  No telling how many MILLIONS were killed by the communist Chinese during their purges... Those of you who are gullable enough to believe Red China or any other Communist regime is a friend really needs to dig into the history books...

No-one likes war, it is a dirty, painful business but here again the failure of our forefathers to complete a job is coming home to haunt us yet again.

[6GunUSMC]

Originally posted by oboe
Seagoon,

Reading your views here leads me to believe that you might believe Britain and France should've intervened in the Amercian Civil War to protect the Confederacy?     It had as much right to exist as Taiwan, did it not?

That would have been awful nice of them!

[JB88]

Originally posted by NUKE
The funny thing is that I didn't even know what you were talking about when you said joowenn until just now. I just figured it was another of your off topic, off the wall statements.

yep.  there it is.

bright boy.

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Originally posted by Raider179
Actually thats not quite true. Not knowing whether a country has them or not is quite the deterrent. North Korea?

You're sort of arguing against yourself there � the DPRK have openly claimed to have nuclear weapons. Whether they do or not, they are still capitalising on the declaration, and using it as a deterrent. Although in North Korea's case the real deterrent is more likely their enormous amount of conventional artillery, coupled with the close proximity of Seoul to said artillery.