Author Topic: How do you do it? (Read 6847 times)

Morpheus · « **Reply #105 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:09:10 AM »

The simple yet huge fact your over looking ren, is that bailing out in such a manner does not show anyone this new player wants to learn. Its just as simple as that. The fact you wont admit that we're right is because your ego is as big and fragile as you say everyone elses is who disagrees with the bailing out BS.

Its no big deal. Just admit your wrong and we can move on.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #106 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:32:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
The simple yet huge fact your over looking ren, is that bailing out in such a manner does not show anyone this new player wants to learn. Its just as simple as that. The fact you wont admit that we're right is because your ego is as big and fragile as you say everyone elses is who disagrees with the bailing out BS.

My ego? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 'nuff said about that!

Wrong? Because you call some guy a chump for playing the way he wants, I'm wrong? Everytime you type something you lower yourself. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything to you but it might have to others who actually thought something of you. We all make our own beds to sleep in. I guess you are making yours.

Tell ya what, tell the guy you will pay for his gameplay if he doesn't bail out all the time. You pay and maybe he'll listen. Until you do your BS has no value to anyone else except you. But it can push people away from the game who really want to play and that's where I have a problem with it. I don't judge people by their gameplay I merely try to guide them along a path that will make it enjoyable for them and everyone else at the same time. You prefer the old "yer a dumb butt and chump" way of helping people. What school did you graduate from where they taught you that? What a great leader of gaming you are!

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Morpheus · « **Reply #107 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:39:07 AM »

Let me get this straight.

You promote learning and self improvement in this game. Yet you condone and deffend a tatcic as lame as bailing out durring a fight because you might die.

I find it ironc you are calling us hypocrites with that sort of mentality.

mars01 · « **Reply #108 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:44:22 AM »

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Wrong? Because you call some guy a chump for playing the way he wants, I'm wrong? Everytime you type something you lower yourself. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything to you but it might have to others who actually thought something of you.

Honestly Ren if anyone thinks less of Morph for calling it like it is, they aren't much to worry about either. Could Morph had been a little nicer, sure wouldn't have been half as funny lol, but he wasn't, so what. It still doesn't make bailing out when things get tough, right and that is what your argument continues to allude to. If you want to argue Morphs tact, that is one thing, trying to say the guy is doing right by bailing out is totally wrong.

Bailing out to save your score is not game play. That is what you still won't accept. Yes runing, sitting on a perch all night, bombing etc. These are all game play options. Bailing out to save your precious online score is not game play it is chump tactics to pretend your good.

iKo · « **Reply #109 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:47:34 AM »

Hum, are you guys talking about baling to avoid fight or bailing after you lose fight and you are on fire or spinning to the ground with damage? Cuz in my book they are to different things

Morpheus · « **Reply #110 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:55:42 AM »

I find it even more hellarious that this tool thinks bailing out is helping his score. Did he fail to see that when you bail out with nme all around you and it says "player X shot you down"?

Hey genious. Thats a kill. And its recorded as a death in your stats!

I'd like very much to think I've bitten on a cheap troll. But with the current MA enviorment, I doubt it.

When someone shows me that they have the willingess to learn and want to be helped I will do everything I can to provide some sort of assistance to the best of my ability. The fact you think I'm trying to stroke my ego while calling this tool out on his chump tactics simply shows me that you dont want to talk about the problems at hand. You saw an easy way to try and make yourself look like the good guy and it came back to bite you in the ass.

No matter how hard you try, you cant viably deffend what x0002885753Marine is doing as right.

Morpheus · « **Reply #111 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:57:56 AM »

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Hum, are you guys talking about baling to avoid fight or bailing after you lose fight and you are on fire or spinning to the ground with damage? Cuz in my book they are to different things

Bailing out to avoid getting a death tagged to your stats. Which is wrong btw. It does record as a death with nme around you. Bailing out before they even get a chance to shoot you so as to avoid being killed or shot down.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #112 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:36:57 PM »

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When someone shows me that they have the willingess to learn and want to be helped I will do everything I can to provide some sort of assistance to the best of my ability. The fact you think I'm trying to stroke my ego while calling this tool out on his chump tactics simply shows me that you dont want to talk about the problems at hand. You saw an easy way to try and make yourself look like the good guy and it came back to bite you in the ass.

You still dont get it do you. Quick thinking about yourself for once and let people play their way. They paid to do that. Who the hell do you think you are to tell them what they can and can't do. The only problem at hand is your whining about someone elses game play. Like one or two guys are going to completely ruin your life and you gotta make sure the whole world knows about it. If that's the case then you need to get a life. Didn't I already say that?

BTW, really helping someone is taking someone who doesn't fit your type of gameplay and still teaching them. That's when it counts.

Me? Look good? Im not trying to look like the good guy. I'm merely stating the obvious. That I know the difference between right and wrong. And you're opinions are wrong. There's another old saying. If you've got nothing nice to say about someone, then say nothing. You must have missed that somewhere in life so I said it. There now, you've just learned something, haven't you.

No matter how hard you try, you cant viably deffend what x0002885753Marine is doing as right.

Of course I can defend it. He has every right to play as he sees fit without having guys telling him he's a chump.

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DamnedRen · « **Reply #113 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:43:00 PM »

BTW, It's admirable for the BK's to stand up for one of their own. However, it's sometimes better to be honest with yourself over whats right and wrong.

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iKo · « **Reply #114 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:46:24 PM »

Agreed morph, I Am not a noob by all means and don’t care about my score at all. I feel (imo) to teach bailing to avoid getting a kill message is not right at all. To bail cuz airplane is un-flyable after losing a fight well some times I do some times I don’t why? Cuz I feel like it and it’s my mood at the time. Like you said they get the kill any way so what’s the difference. I think Red is saying more than anything is teaching them will help avoid them from doing this instead of bashing them for it.
I feel there are many reasons to bail or ditch but none of them I feel IMO have to do with score cuz I don’t believe in score.
But I feel that if I am in a plane and in a fight and the guy cant hit me or kill me and I run out of gas or ammo and I am not in a plane that can out run the other plane cuz they fly a La7 or some fast plane than they don’t deserve the kill and there is nothing wrong with bailing or ditching. If they are good they will get kill message if not they will not. I would do this only to say you had your chance to kill me and you couldn’t period. But for me it has nothing to do with score. But I am not going to give a free kill to someone that couldn’t kill me to pad there score when I hate scores anyway.

Morpheus · « **Reply #115 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:53:06 PM »

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Who the hell do you think you are to tell them what they can and can't do

I never told him he couldnt fly that way. I told him he was a chump for doing it.

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BTW, really helping someone is taking someone who doesn't fit your type of gameplay and still teaching them. That's when it counts.

You can't teach someone who doesnt want to learn. What's so hard to understand about that?

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Of course I can defend it. He has every right to play as he sees fit without having guys telling him he's a chump.

As can I say hes a cheap and lame for doing it. You keep on deffending it. I'll continue to denounce what he does as a chump tactic.

You know. I'll say it again. You promote all this teaching, which is very good mind you. I am all for helping those who have the drive and learn. But yet you continue to condone and deffend someone who clearly does not want to learn, nor cares about it. I'm sorry but that just doesnt wash.
You've gone beyond the point of no return in your argument. If you back pedal now that will be admiting that I am right, and you, you are wrong.

Notice he's not here deffending himself? Just why do you think that is? Because when I told him what I thought about his antics, he knew I was right. Hes been here long enough to know. Its sad you cant see it too.

Hornet · « **Reply #116 on:** April 10, 2005, 01:18:31 PM »

to be fair Ren, when it was a guy's dime at $3/hr there was little of that "to each his own" sentiment for a guy that bailed to avoid death. HTC's MA is much more understanding and PC of those less inclined to fight.

eagl · « **Reply #117 on:** April 10, 2005, 01:38:42 PM »

Mechanic,

Heh, just pullin yer chain

Saying that game reflexes and arena SA equates to a higher intellect just sorta struck me as the same kind of statement I first saw about 10 years ago whenever guys logged into CK and proudly stated that they were good at flight sims. The only thing different now is that the same people saying how good they are can't spell or use proper grammer. Back in the day, the only people who couldn't spell, capitalize properly, or put together a complete sentence were a few guys with honest mental health issues who socialized over the internet because they had some serious problems in regular interactions. Most people didn't make fun of those guys, but now some people think it's cool to act ignorant and uneducated and that's pretty funny IMHO.

It's not exactly a linear train of thought, but I went from "good at flight sims" to mentally handicapped people to spelling tards to twitch intellect in about a millisecond

DamnedRen · « **Reply #118 on:** April 10, 2005, 03:36:31 PM »

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You know. I'll say it again. You promote all this teaching, which is very good mind you. I am all for helping those who have the drive and learn. But yet you continue to condone and deffend someone who clearly does not want to learn, nor cares about it. I'm sorry but that just doesnt wash.
You've gone beyond the point of no return in your argument. If you back pedal now that will be admiting that I am right, and you, you are wrong.

Back pedal? The only thing I can think of is you just can't get enough of yourself. You actually think your right and more's the pity. I'd feel sorry for you but you're not worth the effort.

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DamnedRen · « **Reply #119 on:** April 10, 2005, 03:47:34 PM »

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to be fair Ren, when it was a guy's dime at $3/hr there was little of that "to each his own" sentiment for a guy that bailed to avoid death. HTC's MA is much more understanding and PC of those less inclined to fight.

By the same token we averaged 100 a night in FR so you had limits and ended up fighting the same guys over and over except for the missions and scenarios.Not many folks pulled plugs or bailed back then. In fact, it was a matter of pride to land yer kills. 200 up was considered a big deal, if the arena could even handle it.

Now we have 500-600 up on a weekend night in one arena. How many times have you seen dudes pull the plug when you close with em. So who cares if one or two pull the plug? It's no different if they pull the plug or bail, I just move on to the next fight.

If you've been around since those days then like the rest of us old timers, you've seen it all and don't get too excited about some guy that bails nor do you whine about it on the radios or the BBS.

I guess that's why it sets me off to hear guys like the mouth profess to world how great he is and bad talks people just trying to keep their head above water. Like he was never there.

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