Author Topic: Arizona Guard militia plans more aggressive border action (Read 1018 times)

bigsky · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2005, 08:58:21 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
It's good..but when "militias" get involved..it becomes about hate..and not about our security. Militias most often have some sort of agenda and have always been linked to one hate group or another..I wonder which one this one is linked to.

i would say no. i think some hate groups called themselves militias to hide.

Shamus · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2005, 09:10:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

Hell we have citizens volunteering for social issues why not security.

I think I shall start pulling over traffic violators.

shamus

Silat · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:24:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Otto
I'm starting to have some doubts about the Bush administration. Why did we spend Billions on Home Land Defense and have to depend on private citizens to defend the Border?

Somebody in Washington better get there bellybutton in gear now...!

Just starting to have doubts?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:59:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
I think I shall start pulling over traffic violators.

shamus

well that would be going beyond the law....BUT if you were to follow them and call the cops (people do that all the time in DUI cases) or tell them to slow down ect that would be relevent to the current discussion.

NUKE · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2005, 01:08:40 AM »

Gunslinger, well said.

Shamus · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2005, 08:23:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
well that would be going beyond the law....BUT if you were to follow them and call the cops (people do that all the time in DUI cases) or tell them to slow down ect that would be relevent to the current discussion.

The current discussion started with this Casey Nethercott bragging about his armored vehicles and the fact that the Minutemen were not being aggresive enough, and he might just have to roll out his machine guns.

No I dont see where his plan and mine differ much.

They both smack of vigilantism

Now if your position is that a citizen should call the police if they observe a crime I agree, but I have a feeling that this Nethercott clown has a bit more in mind.

shamus

Spooky · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2005, 09:06:48 AM »

[insert tardy smiley here]

ASTAC · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2005, 09:49:44 AM »

To quote myself:

"It's good..but when "militias" get involved..it becomes about hate..and not about our security. Militias most often have some sort of agenda and have always been linked to one hate group or another..I wonder which one this one is linked to."

Here's what I was talking about earlier.

Neo-Nazi recruiting for Arizona Guard Militia

and also proof that these guys are on the wrong side of the law.

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/39324.php

john9001 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 11, 2005, 10:10:12 AM »

shamus , if the traffic violator was a undocumented visitor from mexico would you still stop them or would you let them go because they have a different culture?

Shamus · « **Reply #24 on:** April 11, 2005, 10:24:07 AM »

How would I know prior to the stop?

shamus

lada · « **Reply #25 on:** April 11, 2005, 10:34:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I think it's a a good thing that common citizen's are helping out the border patrol by watching for illegals and monitoring their movements until the border patrol can get there to arrest the illegals.

I just hope it doesnt get violent.

Thats good way how to make some money for local citizens....

Trell · « **Reply #26 on:** April 11, 2005, 11:34:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
How would I know prior to the stop?

shamus

By the 12 other mexicians that are in the back of the pickup

ASTAC · « **Reply #27 on:** April 11, 2005, 11:39:23 AM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
To quote myself:

"It's good..but when "militias" get involved..it becomes about hate..and not about our security. Militias most often have some sort of agenda and have always been linked to one hate group or another..I wonder which one this one is linked to."

Here's what I was talking about earlier.

Neo-Nazi recruiting for Arizona Guard Militia

and also proof that these guys are on the wrong side of the law.

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/39324.php

You guys ran right over this without comment...it's an important issue to deal with this thread's topic. What do you guys think of militias now?

john9001 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2005, 12:27:22 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
You guys ran right over this without comment...it's an important issue to deal with this thread's topic. What do you guys think of militias now?

"" On its Web site, the "Arizona Guard" proclaims to be "an Organized Militia dedicated to the defense of American Patriotism and to help local ranchers and citizens defend property from illegal alien activity and drug running operations." It asks for volunteers to carry firearms on missions.""

maybe i'm missing something here, what exactly do you find objectionable about that statment?

Shamus · « **Reply #29 on:** April 11, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
"" On its Web site, the "Arizona Guard" proclaims to be "an Organized Militia dedicated to the defense of American Patriotism and to help local ranchers and citizens defend property from illegal alien activity and drug running operations." It asks for volunteers to carry firearms on missions.""

maybe i'm missing something here, what exactly do you find objectionable about that statment?

Well that statment sounds glorious and is hard to argue with on the surface, but I think the means to the end proclaimed needs some investigation.

I hope you dont take everything you read on a website as gospel.

shamus