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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2005, 02:00:10 PM »
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By the 12 other mexicians that are in the back of the pickup

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2005, 05:03:00 PM »
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"" On its Web site, the "Arizona Guard" proclaims to be "an Organized Militia dedicated to the defense of American Patriotism and to help local ranchers and citizens defend property from illegal alien activity and drug running operations."  It asks for volunteers to carry firearms on missions.""

maybe i'm missing something here, what exactly do you find objectionable about that statment?




If you read the articles you find that they are already outside the law...and a top member is a white supremicist.
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2005, 05:49:02 PM »
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You guys ran right over this without comment...it's an important issue to deal with this thread's topic. What do you guys think of militias now?


Good in concept.....bad in follow through  :confused:

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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2005, 06:06:23 PM »
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If you read the articles you find that they are already outside the law...and a top member is a white supremicist.


What law are they "outside of" post the statute so that we can take advantage of your superior legal knowledge. I have a "concealed weapons permit" that gives me the legal right to carry a weapon in the State of Florida. If me and a few hundred other people volunteer to patrol the borders of my state for illegal entry, what law would we be violating?

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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2005, 06:13:23 PM »
In one of the articles it states that when the boarder patrol tried to stop them..they would not stop and proceeded to this guy's ranch..where they started taking up defensive positions......lets see....preparing to have a gun battle with federal authorities puts these low life gun nuts outside the law.
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2005, 06:39:02 PM »
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In one of the articles it states that when the boarder patrol tried to stop them..they would not stop and proceeded to this guy's ranch..where they started taking up defensive positions......lets see....preparing to have a gun battle with federal authorities puts these low life gun nuts outside the law.


read it carefully...notice the border patrol retreat.

Nethercott called Cochise County sheriff's deputies to the scene, saying Border Patrol agents had members of his organization on the ground and were pointing weapons at them.
 
Nethercott warned that if the deputies did not arrive quickly, there would be shooting between the group and Border Patrol agents.
 
By the time the deputies arrived, other Border Patrol agents had also arrived. The deputies found at least seven Border Patrol vehicles, with at least as many agents shielded behind their vehicles with their handguns drawn, as well as some with AR-15 rifles, all pointing toward the Arizona Guard compound.
 
Nethercott told deputies that at no time did agents activate their emergency lights in an attempt to stop him and that they aimed weapons at Riddle, who only had a rifle slung over his shoulder.
 
Nethercott, a twice-convicted felon, told deputies that he was angered because Border Patrol agents had ordered Nethercott to lie on the ground "like a criminal."
 
Deputies were able to defuse the situation when Border Patrol agents retreated from the property, about a half-mile east of the Douglas Border Patrol Station.

He said he has met with federal officials from the United States and Mexico, and has appealed to his counterpart in Sonora and other border states, church groups and advocacy groups, asking them to come forward with specific evidence of a crime committed against a migrant by a militia member.
 
To date, no victim has come forth, he said.

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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2005, 06:45:47 PM »
you still defend these guys? I don't know maybe you only read the part where the govt "may" have been wrong...I read that they were acticg agressively in the face of federal agents...not to mention the other article shows how a top member is a neo-nazi and has been recruiting for the group...so you have a bunch of racist trigger happy prettythangholes running amok in southern Arizona...making all kinds of threats of violence..and you think thats okay? That the feds aren't justified in giving these guys a bunch of pressure and that they too should be involved in our border security?
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2005, 06:56:43 PM »
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What law are they "outside of" post the statute so that we can take advantage of your superior legal knowledge. I have a "concealed weapons permit" that gives me the legal right to carry a weapon in the State of Florida. If me and a few hundred other people volunteer to patrol the borders of my state for illegal entry, what law would we be violating?


You wouldnt be violating any law until you decided to stop and try and question me if I chose to enter your fine state.

But I just might have a "concealed weapons permit" as well and feel that I am in fear for my life and double tap ya when you decide to accost me at the border.

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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2005, 07:01:43 PM »
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you still defend these guys? I don't know maybe you only read the part where the govt "may" have been wrong...I read that they were acticg agressively in the face of federal agents...not to mention the other article shows how a top member is a neo-nazi and has been recruiting for the group...so you have a bunch of racist trigger happy prettythangholes running amok in southern Arizona...making all kinds of threats of violence..and you think thats okay? That the feds aren't justified in giving these guys a bunch of pressure and that they too should be involved in our border security?


And how many people have these trigger happy prettythangholes shot?
None...it seems where pulling bullets out of them from the feds.
When were Neo-Nazis outlawed? Is it illegal to recruit?

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2005, 07:06:24 PM »
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You wouldnt be violating any law until you decided to stop and try and question me if I chose to enter your fine state.

But I just might have a "concealed weapons permit" as well and feel that I am in fear for my life and double tap ya when you decide to accost me at the border.

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LOL..... a concealed weapons permit from Michigan? And that would be .....a Michael Moore DVD.

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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2005, 07:10:11 PM »
Yur drunk again aint ya? :)

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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2005, 07:13:08 PM »
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Yur drunk again aint ya? :)

shamus


I must of hit the Burbon a little to hard again...I could have sworn you where mentioning something about being able to legally carry a weapon in Michigan. You'd have to really be loaded to buy into that.

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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2005, 07:16:49 PM »
Got my first CCW up here in 1978, dont understand what point you are trying to make

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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2005, 07:31:02 PM »
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Got my first CCW up here in 1978, dont understand what point you are trying to make

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was unaware that michigan had CCW permits. I stand corrected.

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« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2005, 07:35:39 PM »
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And how many people have these trigger happy prettythangholes shot?
None...it seems where pulling bullets out of them from the feds.
When were Neo-Nazis outlawed? Is it illegal to recruit?


1)They aren't outlawed..but you find it acceptable that groups who openly admit they would like to exterminate certain races of people to be armed?

2) These so called "militias" are using a distorted view of the 2nd amendment..yes we can "bear arms" but it does not authorize citizens to form para-military groups...it was written in a time when we had virtually no army and enemies suurounding us on all sides...the "well organized militia part" really has no place these days unless we were under the threat of military invasion. not illegals crossing the border. As much as I dispise the fact they come here like that I don't think they should be shot..which from everything this group has said..sounds like their intention.

Groups like this only help to cause trouble for EVERYBODY..

If you think "militias" are their for your freedom and your protection..you are dead wrong..they are there for their own agendas and their "protection" and to make guys that are otherwise pu$$ies feel strong..but hey..it is a free country (no thanks to people like them) and you can support em if you want.
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