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Offline midnight Target

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« on: April 11, 2005, 06:22:18 PM »
Show on the military channel... Kinda interesting as they chose the tanks in the context of the era in which they were used.

I remember

1. T-34
2.  M1 Abrams





10. Sherman (called it the flawed sherman)
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 06:29:04 PM »
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 06:43:44 PM »
you know the sherman get's such a bad rep but the truth of the matter is it was perfect for it's role.  Problem is the tactics were sound but not used correctly.

The sherman was never designed to stand off against tigers and panzers it was a fast attack weapon used to make contact and call in the tank killers.

I've allways said there are very few bad weapons just bad tactics.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 06:44:06 PM »
The Tiger listed at #3:

Its fear factor, however, is off the scale — even its name was an act of psychological warfare.

I never really understood why the T-34 is generally listed as the all time best tank. I understand that it was reliable and had sloped armor for excellent crew protection. However it's main armament couldnt compete with Tigers and Panthers until it was upgraded later in the war.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 06:49:30 PM »
How could the Sherman be on the list?  It's main strength was not in tank itself, but in the industrial might that produced so many of them.

The T-72 is a great tank.  It's like the R-7 booster of tanks.  The basic design is so solid, it's been re-used for decades in progressively newer and better tanks.  The R-7 booster started life as an ICBM (one of the first was used to place Sputnik in orbit) and was refined over the decades.  An R-7 variant launched Yuri Gagarin (first human in space), then later R-7 variants have launched every cosmonaut through today as the 'Soyuz' rocket.  A completely evolutionary design, same as the T-72.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 06:51:38 PM »
How many Tigers were produced?  How many Shermans were made?
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 06:57:36 PM »
The test of the Sherman page of your link MT:

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First produced in 1942. Top speed: 24 mph. Range: 100 miles. The tank's radial nine-cylinder engine gives a power-to-weight ratio of 15.8 horsepower per ton. Armor thickness: 62 millimeters. Primary armament: 75-mm high-velocity gun.

The Sherman scored low on firepower and armor. Its Ford eight-cylinder engine was efficient and reliable, so the tank scored slightly better for mobility. But it is ease of manufacture that won the M-4 its place among the top 10 tanks: a staggering 48,000 of them were produced over just three years. Thus, the Sherman received a top production rating.  


With 17 cylinders you would think it could do better than 24 mph...

edit>perhaps different versions had different engines?
« Last Edit: April 11, 2005, 07:02:45 PM by Holden McGroin »
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2005, 06:59:08 PM »
edit :o
« Last Edit: April 11, 2005, 07:09:28 PM by MiloMorai »
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2005, 06:59:10 PM »
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How could the Sherman be on the list? It's main strength was not in tank itself, but in the industrial might that produced so many of them.


Exactly. The Sherman may have been the worst weapon we ever sent our soldiers to war with. The Sherman only had 2 things going for it imo, reliability and vast numbers. It didnt have enough armor and was (imo) severely undergunned.

How it made the top 10 list is beyond me.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2005, 07:00:17 PM »
I think there were 50,000 Shermans built.  I believe there were about 2,000 Tigers and King Tigers built (together).
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2005, 07:03:04 PM »
am I reading this correctly?  The sherman had 2 engines?
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2005, 07:05:18 PM »
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
This statement on the Panther makes the whole rank listing questionable:

"Its fear factor score is very high: in the early days of World War II this tank was unstoppable."

The Panther was not around in the 'early days of WW2. :rolleyes:  The Panther first saw mass action around Kursk on July 5, 1943.


Uhhh....the Panther isnt even on the list. I think you quoted what they said about the Panzer IV.
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2005, 07:06:16 PM »
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Exactly. The Sherman may have been the worst weapon we ever sent our soldiers to war with. The Sherman only had 2 things going for it imo, reliability and vast numbers. It didnt have enough armor and was (imo) severely undergunned.

How it made the top 10 list is beyond me.


Quit talking like an Amerihater!!! The Sherman was best tank EVAH!!!!

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2005, 07:08:55 PM »
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The test of the Sherman page of your link MT:

 With 17 cylinders you would think it could do better than 24 mph...

edit>perhaps different versions had different engines?


You are having us on Holden? 17 cylinders??

The M4A2 nad M4A6 could do 30mph on a road.

Elfie, your correct.:o
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2005, 07:12:23 PM »
Check out this tank!

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