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« on: April 13, 2005, 02:38:44 PM »
Karzai Wants Permanent U.S. Bases in Afghanistan

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- President Hamid Karzai said Wednesday he is preparing a formal request to President Bush for a long-term security partnership that could include a permanent U.S. military presence.

At a joint news conference with U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Karzai said he had consulted many of his country's citizens in recent weeks about "a strategic security relationship," with the United States that could help Afghanistan avoid foreign interference and military conflicts.

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"The conclusion we have drawn is that the Afghan people want a long-term relationship with the United States," Karzai said. "They want this relationship to be a sustained economic and political relationship and most importantly of all, a strategic security relationship to enable Afghanistan to defend itself, to continue to prosper, to stop the possibility of interferences in Afghanistan."

Karzai said he has previously discussed this with Bush, but is now planning to formalize the request, but did not say when.

Rumsfeld was asked about America's willingness to offer security guarantees to Afghanistan and to establish permanent military bases here. He said this was a matter for President Bush to decide.

He described the military-to-military relationship between Afghanistan and the United States as good, and said it had grown and strengthened, but he was noncommittal on whether Washington hoped to establish permanent military bases.

"What we generally do when we work with another country is what we have been doing. We find ways we can be helpful, maybe training, equipment or other types of assistance. We think in terms of what we are doing rather than the question of military bases and that type thing," Rumsfeld said.

Rumsfeld was on an unannounced, whistlestop visit to the war-torn country before flying on to Pakistan later Wednesday for meetings with President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and other leaders.

Earlier, Rumsfeld met with U.S. troops in the southeastern cities of Kandahar and Qalat, following Tuesday's visit to Iraq.

In Qalat, where U.S. troops are running what they call a provincial reconstruction team that provides civic aid as well as security for reconstruction projects, Rumsfeld visited U.S. soldiers on a morale boosting mission mixed with official talks on the future U.S. role in Afghanistan.

U.S. commanders told Rumsfeld in detailed briefing on their operations in Zabul Province along the Pakistan border that Taliban fighters still have some sanctuaries and support among the local population, but that U.S. forces operating with newly trained Afghan troops are making steady progress in eroding that support.

Qalat is in a region about 90 miles north of Kandahar and 30 miles from the Pakistan border where the Afghan government is struggling with a counternarcotics campaign while also fighting remnants of the Taliban militia that ruled the country before U.S. forces invaded in October 2001.

Rumsfeld's visit to Qalat underscored the importance the Pentagon places on the approach of using troops to facilitate reconstruction and civil affairs work.

He shook hands and posed for photographs with a group of soldiers in Qalat and thanked them for their work before flying back to Kandahar where he spoke to several hundred soldiers and answered questions from several of them.

One soldier asked when the Army would shorten tours from 12 to six months for those serving in Afghanistan or Iraq. As he also had said a day earlier in Iraq, Rumsfeld said the Army was thinking about that, but had not made a decision.

Rumsfeld, whose itinerary was not being disclosed in advance by U.S. officials for security reasons, told the soldiers that both Afghans and Americans one day will look back on this period as a turning point in the spread of freedom. "You're earning your place in history," he said.

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2005, 02:47:06 PM »
I wonder how many bases we'll have to close here in the U.S. to support it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2005, 03:07:56 PM »
lol That doesn't stink of BS at all..

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 03:16:29 PM »
Sandman,

Most people don't realize it but the real push behind base closure is the military itself.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2005, 03:19:41 PM »
Why take the time to defend yourself against warlords, when you can get the ones who put you in power to do it instead..

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2005, 03:29:26 PM »
this thread is doomed.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2005, 03:34:16 PM »
Tronski,

Karzai was elected in a landslide by the people of Afghanistan.

I'm not sure what you would prefer:

1) The Taliban still be in power and still providing a haven for Bin Laden
2) Afghanistan be returned to the state of  unending civil war between multiple warring ethnic factions (Pushtun, Tajik, etc.) with Kabul being variously starved or shelled ad infinitum?

What would you propose?

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2005, 03:37:13 PM »
i'm 100% against it, but we have been "defending" germany for 60 years.

BTW,what is our "exit stratigy" for germany?


i'm for closing ALL overseas bases and bringing ALL troops home.

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2005, 03:51:25 PM »
beyond the normal accusations against the taliban, thier willfull sheltering of the al queda, thier treatment of broads and thier rampant opium trade...the destruction of the ancient buddhist shrines pretty much put them on my chitlist.

i dont mind our involvement there for one second.

its like a stick in bin laden's beady little eye.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2005, 03:57:51 PM »
The "war on terror" huh?

Yes It was right to into Afghanistan. That was where Mr Al Quaida lived. Not in Iraq at least not until the US and British millitary waded in there.

No complaints there but you yankees. sheesh. You'll end up with an empire if you're not carefull!;)

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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2005, 04:00:20 PM »
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beyond the normal accusations against the taliban, thier willfull sheltering of the al queda, thier treatment of broads and thier rampant opium trade...the destruction of the ancient buddhist shrines pretty much put them on my chitlist.

i dont mind our involvement there for one second.

its like a stick in bin laden's beady little eye.


JB,

Two excellent materials that should push the Taliban to the top of anyone's list are  Ahmed Rashid's book"Taliban" which chronicles the rise of the Taliban to power and their subsequent actions and the film "Osama" which focuses on the desperate plight of women under Taliban rule (the film is excellent despite being one of the most depressing movies ever made).  

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2005, 04:00:40 PM »
The muslims are absolutely gonna love this. There will be no end to the conspiracy theories about how Karzai is a 'US lackey'.

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2005, 04:01:47 PM »
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Tronski,

Karzai was elected in a landslide by the people of Afghanistan.


I'm not sure of the real translation of landslide but I think it's a bit too much he got about 60% of the votes.

I know as an American you trust representatives (and I don't) but the loya jika is not the people IMO.
It was not a plébiscite.
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2005, 04:11:34 PM »
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I'm not sure of the real traduction of landslide but I think it's a bit too much he got about 60% of the votes.

I know as an American you trust representatives (and I don't) but the loya jika is not the people IMO.
It was not a plébiscite.


Hi Straffo,

1) I do not yet have the honor of being able to call myself an American. I am still a subject of Her Majesty the Queen living on a Green Card in the USA.

2) Karzai was not appointed by the Loya Jirga (Great Council - the primary law making body) he garnered over 60% of 8.1 million votes cast by Afghans in their first free elections. There were 17 other candidates. International observers certified that the elections were free and fair.

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2005, 04:15:37 PM »
One candidate got 60% of the votes and there were 17 other candidates? I'd call that a landslide.
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