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Offline StarOfAfrica2

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2005, 02:12:09 PM »
The only problem with your reasoning eagl, is that the man wants to stay with his AGP video card.  And there IS a price difference, no matter how small you seem to think it is, between similar models of 754 vs 939.  There is no real benefit to be gained right now (unless you can show me why I'm wrong) between a 754 vs a  939 motherboard other than the issue of future upgradability.  Even that is still questionable IMO.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2005, 02:16:02 PM »
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Sigh...
If you're crunched on cash, start with a single 512 meg stick of memory and go for a second one later.  Any pc3200 (ddr400) stick will work.
 



no way dude!!!:)

neweggs got a special running until tommorow...

2 corsair 184 pin 512mb pc3200 sticks for 89 bucks:D

im gonna grab them now
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 03:33:21 PM »
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found this one humble for 108.00


DFI "LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb" NVIDIA nForce3 250GB Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL



Model# LANPARTY UT nF3 250G
Item # N82E16813136147

Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon 64 processor
Chipset: nForce3 250Gb
RAM: 3x DIMM Supports DDR266/333/400 Max 3GB
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2x PS/2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 8x USB2.0(Rear 4), 1x RJ45, 1x 1394, 2x S/PDIF In/Out, Audio Ports
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
SATA/RAID: 2x SATA RAID with NVIDIA RAID 0,1,0+1,JBOD, 2x SATA by Marvell SATA PHY
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850(8-Ch)
Onboard LAN: Marvell 88E1111 GbE PHY
Form Factor: ATX



Thats the board I have....best one I've ever owned by far.

It is a socket 754 board however, technically its a dead end. However, all those folks who bought best and brightest 18 months ago got hosed....same with those who bought "top end" 3 years ago. I figure in 18 months the 939's will be on the discount rack as well:)....but its a crap shoot for sure...
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2005, 03:39:03 PM »
The current difference between 939 & 754 is on the order of 1% according to all the benchmarks I've seen. If your going PCI-E I'd say go 939...for AGP 754 is fine. If you happen to pick the DFI board & hook it up with an overclockable GPU you can run rings around a 939/GPU running at stock...the DFI OC's better than any 939 board on the market and you can out perform even a OC'd 939 (personally see no need to OC either).....however the DFI isactually built to be OC'd so you can bump it 5% (or more) and its rock solid with stock cooling.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2005, 04:25:32 PM »
im ordering now:D
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2005, 04:46:36 PM »
Star,

There are socket 939 AGP boards.  Not that it matters apparently.
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2005, 04:56:39 PM »
finnal product.

MB DFI|NF3 LANPARTY UT nF3 250GB RT  

CPU AMD 64 |3700+ ATHLON 64 754 RT    

DDR CRSR 512MB X2 KIT|VS1GBKIT400    

DVD-/+RW 16X RSWLL RD-162 BLK RT    

THERMALGREASE MASSCOOL|STARS-700

CD MS|WIN XP HOME w/SP2

VIDEO RADEON 9800 PRO'

SOUND AUDIGY 2ZS GAMER

HDD 80GB & 120GB

400WATT PWR SUPPLY
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2005, 05:31:08 PM »
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Star,

There are socket 939 AGP boards.  Not that it matters apparently.


I think its a variable thing...I bought the "best" board last time figuring I'd skip a generation of MB and just up the CPU....so when my barton core 2500+ burned out..."TS"...either a sempron or upgrade...when the 64's came out all boards were 754...now they're obsolete....I hear rumblings the 939's will be gone in less than 2 years for 940's or other as well. I currently have 5 generations of AW/AH machines running in my house and none of em were really upgradeable...
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2005, 05:32:57 PM »
looks good 68....run some benchmarks and let me know what you get:)
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2005, 06:00:20 PM »
youll have to tell me how to do that?

i know im a newbie:o
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2005, 07:53:08 PM »
nevermind, i found a benchmark utillity.

but what am i looking for?
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2005, 08:46:07 PM »
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Star,

There are socket 939 AGP boards.  Not that it matters apparently.


I'm aware of that eagl.  I wasnt trying to knock your post to make him aware of the 939's either, I was pointing out that even a similar board in 939 costs more than the 754 variant.  I respect your opinion, you've helped me out more than once.  I'm just saying, to you 50 bucks might not be a big deal, but to me it could make the difference in whether or not I make my car payment this month.  This isnt my only hobby, and some of them are far more expensive than computer parts.  For what I've spent on guns and ammo this year alone (and its only April), I could have bought a kick-ass system.  Maybe 2 if I got a deal.  I try not to assume that the other guy can necessarily afford to go up that extra little bit.  I know there are advantages besides the PCIe for the 939, but it didnt really seem to matter to him.  If you can show me a 939 board that is within 20 dollars of the equivalent 754 board somewhere, I'd jump on your bandwagon in a heartbeat.  I simply havent seen one.  For the money, and considering he will eventually have to upgrade again anyway, he might as well go with the 754.
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2005, 01:28:06 AM »
Star,

I wasn't trying to sound snippy so I'm sorry if it came off that way.

I just looked at the rest of 68's parts list...  A64 3700...  2 sticks of memory...  It's not a budget buildup by any definition of the term, so why get the older socket and single channel memory controller?

Yes, he'll have to eventually upgrade but AMD has said a few times that their dual core cpus *should* plunk into socket 939 boards with just a bios update.  Time will tell, but with the release of the dual core opterons around a month away, right now seems like a silly time to put big money into a socket 754 board.  Just going from an A64 3700 to a 3500 or 3200 would have saved enough cash to get a premium socket 939 board and have enough left over for a whole lot of beer.

But of course it's pretty much all opinion, so my last thought will be that every single major review site will recommend a socket 939 motherboard for gaming, because when you're putting together a gaming rig, $50 for socket 939 is a drop in the bucket compared to the price of the other parts.  Socket 754 is a "value" part, just like the sempron.  There's nothing *wrong* about that, but it's not the best part for the highest performance.

If 68 had dropped a sempron or A64 2800 into the rig, then maybe I could see some sense in it, but he didn't.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2005, 03:20:29 AM »
Just spend the extra $$$,  get one of these and be done with it.



{of course all gaming hardware sold seperately}
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2005, 10:03:01 AM »
what the hell is that thing>?:confused:
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