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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2005, 12:50:22 PM »
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Take the abortion issue. Bush's view is CLEARLY NOT the law of the land here.

That's just one example that blows the Nash/Sky argument clear out of the water.



One of the first things Bush did as President was reinstate the Mexico City Policy, which says that the anyone that recieves  US international family planning funds can't have anything to do with abortion.
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« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2005, 12:51:26 PM »
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How about...lesse...dry states in Texas and the fact that marital aids cannot be sold in phalic shapes in that same state?  This is a morality stepped in religious angst.
 



I`m assuming you meant dry counties within the state. I don`t get the connection. These are usualy voted on as far as I know.
As far as the phalic shaped devices :), they can be sold and are sold, but must be sold as "novelty". There was a big to do over this on the news recently.
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« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2005, 01:02:53 PM »
The Mexico City Plan was a

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ban on U.S. government financial support for certain U.S. and foreign family planning agencies -- those that were involved in any way with the provision of abortion in foreign countries. 1 He did this by way of an executive order.


1. To which country does the US Constitution apply?

2. Does the Mexico City Plan apply to abortion in the US or in foreign countries?

3. Does this executive order violate the US Constitution in any way?

4. Does this executive order in anyway prohibit abortions either in the US or foreign countries?

5. Does this executive order in anyway violate the First Amendment stipulation that
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1. The US.
2. Foreign.
3. No.
4. No.
5. No.

Does this Executive Order upset some people? Obviously.

What they should have done is vote against Bush. It's not like he hid his view on abortion before either election. Unlike some other politicians that Skydancer would probably applaud for not declaring their positions on abortion.
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« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2005, 01:12:30 PM »
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One of the first things Bush did as President was reinstate the Mexico City Policy, which says that the anyone that recieves  US international family planning funds can't have anything to do with abortion.


Well, there are TWO sides to that coin. What about my right as a taxpayer NOT to have taxes I pay used to support something I do not wish to support? It is no more fair or correct to take my taxes and spend them on abortion when I do not support abortion than it is to take someone else's taxes and not spend them on abortion when they DO support abortion.
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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2005, 01:15:46 PM »
Yea...I'm a Euro.  :)



I'm a Euro, he's a Euro, we're all Euros...wouldn't you like to be a Euro too?

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« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2005, 01:28:01 PM »
LOL
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« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2005, 01:29:47 PM »
You might wish to be a Euro, but you're a Bermudan.

However, you are similar to many Euros in that your understanding of the US Constitution is very much in error in many different areas. I'd say you fall into the "Euro category" in that respect alone.

Certainly not in the pink shorts category, however. They rarely wear pink shorts in Europe.
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« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2005, 01:33:23 PM »
I suppose that is a fair comment...but, surprisingly I'm not actually offended by being called a Euro.  ;)

Just don't call me an Amerihater....boy does that ever TICK ME OFF.:D

Still too cold for the pink shorts here right now though.  I tried to wear a blue pair on Friday but half-way home I stopped and put my rain suit on...the wind up the legs of the shorts was causing massive shrinkage issues.:rofl
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« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2005, 01:35:58 PM »
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surprisingly I'm not actually offended by being called a Euro.  ;)



Oh, man... sorry to hear that. That is usually the first symptom of Amerihater syndrome. You might want to see a specialist.

























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« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2005, 01:46:11 PM »
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Silly... God needs our help. If we legislate it correctly, everyone will go to heaven.



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« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2005, 03:11:53 PM »
Sorry Toad, but ... I dissagree :)

When in such a position, you are not allowed to speak your mind in public (certainly not on national TV). In your kitchen with your wife, yes... but that's about it. You are elected by the people, and you are supposed to be "their voice".

The point I brought up (crusade) was the point I heard the most during the last "little-cold-war" regarding some european's view of the war at the time. It made Bush's speech sound as void as OBL's cronies.

If I were to be CEO of Phillip Morris tomorow, how long would you think I'd keep my job if I said something like "Cigars R TEH best" or "I like pu**y!" on an official TV interview?
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« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2005, 03:34:27 PM »
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When in such a position, you are not allowed to speak your mind in public (certainly not on national TV).  


Not allowed?

Please post a link to laws that prohibit that in the US. In fact, I'd like to see the laws that  prohibit it in your country.

Or are you just saying that this is in your opinion?

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how long would you think I'd keep my job if I said something like


You'd keep it at least 4 years total if you were elected under as the President of the US. Then, if the people re-elected you, you'd be there another 4 years.
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« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2005, 04:26:25 PM »
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Well, there are TWO sides to that coin. What about my right as a taxpayer NOT to have taxes I pay used to support something I do not wish to support? It is no more fair or correct to take my taxes and spend them on abortion when I do not support abortion than it is to take someone else's taxes and not spend them on abortion when they DO support abortion.



That is a very slippery slope . I dont support many things this admin is doing. So I guess my taxes shouldnt go towards any of those programs? I vote my reps to do what is right for all of us not any specific religious group.
And I support a womens right to have complete and absolute control of everything inside her skin.
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« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2005, 04:27:54 PM »
It might not be a "law" but it would certainly make sense. Stop being obtuse.
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« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2005, 04:35:22 PM »
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I dont support many things this admin is doing. So I guess my taxes shouldnt go towards any of those programs?  


No, do like everyone else does. Vote for the folks you think will represent you best and pay your taxes even if they do not win.
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