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Offline Samiam

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2005, 02:46:52 PM »
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You forget that there are many people who would oppositely get pleasure in fulfilling your order samiam.
 


I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to do many untoward deeds.

I'm just saying I coudn't order anyone to do something I'm not prepared to do myself. And pushing the plunger on someone strapped to a table, who is no longer a threat to society and who I don't feel personal vengence for is beyond my own ethos. Therefore, I have to bow out of  expecting anybody else to do the same on my behalf.

If I had first-hand knowledge of the crime and knew in my soul that the world would be a better place without the scumbag, I'd gladly push the plunger myself - but I still couldn't ask someone else to do it in my name.

So, while I definitely believe there are crimes where the penalty of death is perfectly justified, I don't believe there is a good way of carying it out short of stopping the bad guy dead in his tracks during the crime.

Vigillantism after the fact is a personal choice that I might make if someone I loved were the victim. But I know this would be an unlawfull personal choice and I couldn't advocate it as any sort of solution (I don't trust you all do be as discriminating in your vigilantism as I would be in mine).

Therefore, my hard decision is that I'm against the death penalty.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2005, 03:00:25 PM »
I think anyone convicted of a capital offense should just be put aboard one of our sneakiest submarines. The offender should then taken ashore on the beaches of a non-death penalty nation by a SEAL team. This should be done in the dead of night with maximum stealth. The offender should be left, without papers or ID; the SEALs and sub would leave as sneakily as they came. Any queries directed to the US by that nation should be answered with "We've never heard of him/her" by the State Department.

That's my solution.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 04:39:18 PM »
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Now if someone on death row happened to be in a persistant vegitative state for 15 years I'd be in favor of it... so I guess you got me there sunshine.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2005, 04:45:11 PM »
Hmmm... good point MT.

Anyone that would do that kind of stuff has to be either vegetable or mineral. They sure ain't human.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2005, 05:56:33 PM »
So Toad are you now trying to saywe should have the death penalty too?

Thankfully your solution is totaly unrealistic. For someone so keen on taking the self righteous I know it all ground you just slipped up bad I'd say and posted the sort of junk you normaly complain about!

Oboe You say....

"I don't quite follow SkyDancer's logic though - I mean it seems a terrible breach of justice to me whether we kill an innocent man or lock him up for the majority of his life. Personally, I think I'd rather be killed than spend my life in a prison cell."

At least if you are alive in a prison cell you can fight your case and have a chanceto be released. If you are wrongly killed thats it game over. I'm pretty sure those guys wrongly convicted of the IRA bombings were glad there was no death penalty. They are now free and able to get on with what life they have left.

In esssence two wrongs don't make a right the death penalty just lowers those who sentence someone to it to the same level as the offender. It's not in the least a"christian"act!
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2005, 06:02:53 PM »
it was one of those points when i rolled my eyes at bush on the teri shiavo case when he said that one should always stand on the side of life..having precided over a death chamber with a take out window.

i am opposed to the death penalty for the most part.

i do not think that one can justify taking a life while arguing that murder is wrong.

dont get me wrong though.

if you kill someone, it is far more punishing to make them live knowing that they will never have a moment to ever enjoy it again.

hell on earth is fine by me.
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2005, 06:07:01 PM »
Be sure they're guilty and then execute them quickly and efficiently.
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2005, 06:10:47 PM »
Where there is zero doubt as to the person is guilty or not I favor death.

But not this soft lethal injection type.

I'd rather it be public and the old fashioned way.
Ala "Braveheart"
 And should the crime be against a child. It should be even slower.

Where there might be lingering questions. Say no witnesses. Ala Scott Peterson It should be life without parole.

Not that there is much in the way to question that case but without witnessess there can never be absolute zero doubt.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2005, 06:10:56 PM »
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Be sure they're guilty and then execute them quickly and efficiently.


in an ideal world that would be great.  an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth etc...

the problem is that you cant always be sure that they did...and history has a way of showing you how well we have handled our little inquisitions in the past.

i am not saying that it is entirely wrong, just that it is not entirely right...so it really comes down to where you stand on the "never leave a man behind" thing.

ya know?

oh.  for all of you who dont know this...

witches have the same boyancy properties as non witches.

thought i might point that out just in case.



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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2005, 06:14:27 PM »
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Oboe You say....

"I don't quite follow SkyDancer's logic though - I mean it seems a terrible breach of justice to me whether we kill an innocent man or lock him up for the majority of his life. Personally, I think I'd rather be killed than spend my life in a prison cell."

At least if you are alive in a prison cell you can fight your case and have a chanceto be released. If you are wrongly killed thats it game over. I'm pretty sure those guys wrongly convicted of the IRA bombings were glad there was no death penalty. They are now free and able to get on with what life they have left.

In esssence two wrongs don't make a right the death penalty just lowers those who sentence someone to it to the same level as the offender. It's not in the least a"christian"act!


True, and you got me dead to rights on the Christian thing.   Lots of times my indignation at injutice gets the better of me.

But I do think the prison life should be completely minimal - only the barest essentials provided.
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2005, 06:38:31 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2005, 06:46:04 PM »
I'm FOR...and for all you bleeding hearts that think the electric chair is to inhumane...why is it that a killer gets a better death than his victims....why is it criminals have more rights than the everyday person? When I heard that a while back a guy executed in the electric chair caught fire..I LAUGHED..not because I'm a sicko..but because that is a fitting end to that kind of scum...I'm no holy roller, but the central publication of my religon says "an eye for an eye"..Life in prison is just too good for some.

As far as equal representation..well there will never be a solution to that..but even bad lawyers can get somebody off...and I'm sure far more have walked away a free man than innocent people been put away or put to death...no system is infallable so there will be mistakes.
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2005, 06:50:22 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2005, 07:23:08 PM »
Oboe I'm in agreement. Life should mean life and the rights prisoners who have commited lesser crimes enjoy, should not be there for murderers.

I assume then ASTAC you only follow old testament teachings and that Jesus chap has nothing to say to you?

I'm not a practising christian but I do believe he had quite a few worthwhile things to say!
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2005, 07:24:35 PM »
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So Toad are you now trying to saywe should have the death penalty too?



Heaven's NO!

But I think you civilized folks are much more comfortable with having these guys amongst you and don't seem to mind paying to incarcerate these vegetables/minerals for life.

Obviously, they'd be far better off over at your place.
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