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Offline Skydancer

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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2005, 07:26:26 PM »
Toad you have your tounge firmly in your cheek today then?
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Offline Nashwan

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2005, 07:27:50 PM »
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But I think you civilized folks are much more comfortable with having these guys amongst you and don't seem to mind paying to incarcerate these vegetables/minerals for life.


I don't think we're as worried because we've got far less psychopathic murders than you seem to have :D
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2005, 07:44:56 PM »
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But the individuals in here who think cruel and unusal death is somehow entertaining are pretty sickening.  Seems to me that's something they share with the criminals they so despise.
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2005, 07:45:23 PM »
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Oboe I'm in agreement. Life should mean life and the rights prisoners who have commited lesser crimes enjoy, should not be there for murderers.

I assume then ASTAC you only follow old testament teachings and that Jesus chap has nothing to say to you?

I'm not a practising christian but I do believe he had quite a few worthwhile things to say!


I don't believe that what Jesus said canceled out and superceeds everything in the old testament..or there would be no need to print it anymore...I try to take some from both..some things you cannot just turn the other cheek for.
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2005, 07:49:33 PM »
Maybe I'm wrong but I think he might disagree! Who knows.

However the basic principle is that if you go carry out the self same action ie killing, that you are condeming a person for then you lower yourself to that level. In order to legitimately pass sentence on someone else you ought to maintain a higher moral stance rather than lower yourself to the same level.
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2005, 07:53:32 PM »
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think he might disagree! Who knows.

However the basic principle is that if you go carry out the self same action ie killing, that you are condeming a person for then you lower yourself to that level. In order to legitimately pass sentence on someone else you ought to maintain a higher moral stance rather than lower yourself to the same level.


Thats why is left to STATE to take his "eye" in return for him taking yours. Leaving the higher moral stance to the whole of the people..ie the jury that convicts and makes it's recommendation for death.
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2005, 07:57:35 PM »
Nope Death penalty is archaic outdated and moraly lowers the sentencer to that of the level of the sentenced.

Sorry but I can't budge on that one.


No to the death penalty.
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2005, 08:15:50 PM »
Skydance STFU.  You're like some fool that goes to the voting booth six times to cast repeated votes in the same election.  STFU already, you stated your opinion.
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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2005, 11:45:35 PM »
I'm for it.


That said...

I believe the case should be rock solid before the death penalty is applied.
I believe Scott Peterson got screwed.
I believe that mental state is irrelevant.
I believe that the death penalty does not deter crime.
I believe that the death penalty does stop  recidivism.

Oh... and to top all that off... I'm pro-choice.
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2005, 12:08:07 AM »
The Death Penalty, for it or against it

I think it's a good remedy for some crimes but I also think our Judicial system is so badly run that there's a real chance an innocent person could be executed.  So, logic requires that I be against it, and I am.
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2005, 12:15:22 AM »
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I don't think we're as worried because we've got far less psychopathic murders than you seem to have :D


Yes. I've always said we have a far more violent society than yours.

It's reflected in a myriad of ways, this is just one of them.
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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2005, 05:44:28 AM »
Steve get some manners!

Don't like it don't read it.

Simple.
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Offline Gh0stFT

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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2005, 06:12:32 AM »
death penalty? what penalty is this at all? its more a easy escape ticket,
i can imagine much better penaltys where you have to pay your whole
life, now i call this penalty.
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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2005, 08:00:13 AM »
The death penalty under the current US judicial system has no deterrent value. It's just too difficult to balance the rights of the accused while trying to maintain a speedy and effective process.

Way too many grey areas for such a black and white solution.
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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2005, 08:17:34 AM »
who says the death penalty is not a deterent?  why do they fight it so much?   why do they plead down or snitch off conspirators to avoid it?

Nothing is 100%... if it is 99% then I say keep it.  the 1% that get's fried because he is "innocent" is probly never gonna be absolved so he will spend a life behind bars for all you anti death penalty guys to gawk at and torture anyway.   I say put em all out of their misery...  

most who don't favor the death penalty also favor both abortion and assisted suicide...  Who knows how many great people have been aborted... how many mistakes does assisted suicide make?

but... in those cases.... is is ok to not be 100% certain?  those lives are somehow.... different?  liberals make me puke.



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