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Offline Toad

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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2005, 04:19:45 PM »
No but they threaten to do so on the judges.

Now, tell me why the vote on Bolton is delayed. Dodd says he needs to see the NSA intelligence requests from Bolton. But it's obvious the Dems won't pass Bolton no matter what the requests show, intimidation or none at all.

So why the delay?
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2005, 04:50:31 PM »
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Nobody is filibustering Bolton. He just can't get the votes of his own party.


Not a fillibuster in the congressional sense, but a fillibuster of sorts is being waged by the democrats on the commitee.  They are dredging up every rumor and inuendo they can find and bringing it before the committee.  It's a obvious political stall job.  If Republicans insist on a vote without further investigation of the latest alegations, the Democrats can cry that the Republicans are running roughshod over them, abusing their majority (what else is it for, after all), and acting as partisan hacks (or worse, rubberstamping "questionable" appointees).  The senators bringing these charges against Bolton to the committee haven't bothered to vet the charges.  They simply want to obstruct for the sake of obstrucing, to damage the Administration any way they can.  Their main hope seems to be that a couple of the opposition will lose their nerve (a possbility), or at the very least public preception will be turned enough against Bolton to get Bush to pull the nomination.  

This is pretty clear when you look at what some Democrats in Congress are saying.  They are not calling for Bolton or his accusors to come forward and explain their case in open hearings.  Instead, they are calling for Bolton himself to withdraw from consideration, in effect to plead "guilty" without a trial.
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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2005, 04:58:55 PM »
Funniest line I've read so far regarding Bolton....

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Robert Novak - Republicans, weak and disorganized, were ground down by the Democratic juggernaut.
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« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2005, 05:52:46 PM »
MT, why the delay on the committee vote on Bolton?

What purpose does it serve?
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« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2005, 05:54:16 PM »
Since the guy is ignoring me I can say waht I like without upseting the poor green little warty chap!! :lol

I think its Mr Toad who has the zulu disease he can't get that word out of his poor mind! He is developing a Jackal like obsession. I wonder if said dog boy actualy smoked any of those skydancer ciggarettes?

Sorry just an idle thought or two. Continue the debate on how America has a right to do whatever it likes and sod the UN.

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« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2005, 06:01:55 PM »
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MT, why the delay on the committee vote on Bolton?

What purpose does it serve?


Why don't we ask the Republicans who are keeping it in committee?

Of course the real answer is "because there are enough people on the committee who are questioning the man's ability to do the job".
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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2005, 06:45:15 PM »
Dodd, the democrat is the one who kept it in committee. He's the one requesting further info from NSA.

The Repubs supported the request, but the Dems are driving it.
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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2005, 06:50:37 PM »
Now there are reports that Colin Powell even has reservations about this guy.

Do ya think that maybe... just maybe... the democrats could be right?
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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2005, 06:59:28 PM »
Maybe. Why not just vote and get it done?
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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2005, 08:31:30 AM »
the democrats are allmost never right... if they don't want this guy then they are most certainly wrong.  Based on the speech I watched on this thread he is the perfect man for either dissmantaling the UN or making it useful to us....

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2005, 10:55:45 AM »
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Now there are reports that Colin Powell even has reservations about this guy.

Do ya think that maybe... just maybe... the democrats could be right?


What reports?  How about a link, MT?  Or better yet, some further research?  Where has Powell made any statement during this debate regarding thes alleged doubts about Bolton?  This is exactly the kind of baseless tripe being thrown about by Bolton’s opponents.  Here’s all that Powell’s people have had to say so far (Powell himself has thus far made no public statements for or against Bolton), none of which can be construed as an indictment of Bolton.  The first is non-committal at best.  The second comes right out and says Bolton will be “an excellent ambassador for the United States at the United Nations.”

From http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/22/senate.bolton/index.html

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Peggy Cifrino, a spokeswoman for Powell, said the former secretary "has not reached out to senators" but "has returned calls from senators who wanted to discuss specific questions that have been raised" about Bolton.

She declined to reveal the substance of the conversations because Powell "considers the discussions private."

Powell has not spoken publicly about Bolton's nomination. He did not sign a letter to the committee by seven former U.S. secretaries of state and defense in support of Bolton.


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State Department spokesman (i.e. Powell’s main press guy…saber) Adam Ereli said Friday that it was no surprise that senators were asking Powell about Bolton's record.

"The secretary and the State Department believe that questions of the committee should be answered," Ereli said. "Secretary Powell is answering requests for information, the way that we do, the way that any American citizen does."

But he added, "We think that once those answers are given they will lead to an inescapable conclusion. And that conclusion is that Mr. Bolton would be an excellent ambassador for the United States at the United Nations.”


Charactor assasination seems to be a favorite Washington sport.
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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2005, 11:12:10 AM »
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The Washington Post, citing unidentified Republican sources, said Powell had described John Bolton as an intelligent but problematic government official in conversations with Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee, R-R.I., and Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska.


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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2005, 12:28:04 PM »
I believe you just made my point for me, MT.  "unidentified" sources saying Powell said something is in the end an unsubstantiated charge, like all the others that have been raised by the Democratic opposition.  Even if Power has used the word "problematic" in reference to Bolton, we've no idea of the context in which he used it, or even if it was meant as a slight against Bolton.  Again, this is unsupported rumors unless Powell himself comes out and explains what he said, why he said it, and what effect those things have on Powell's opinion of Bolton as UN embassador.

BTW, you may or may have not noticed that no Democrats on the committee have asked Mr. Powell's opinion or got his side of the story; it was left to Rebublican committe members to do so.  Neither did they ask Mr. Powell to come before the committee to testify.  One might ask, "why is that?"  Could it be they're not interested in the truth?
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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2005, 12:37:02 PM »
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I believe you just made my point for me, MT.  "unidentified" sources saying Powell said something is in the end an unsubstantiated charge, like all the others that have been raised by the Democratic opposition.  Even if Power has used the word "problematic" in reference to Bolton, we've no idea of the context in which he used it, or even if it was meant as a slight against Bolton.  Again, this is unsupported rumors unless Powell himself comes out and explains what he said, why he said it, and what effect those things have on Powell's opinion of Bolton as UN embassador.

BTW, you may or may have not noticed that no Democrats on the committee have asked Mr. Powell's opinion or got his side of the story; it was left to Rebublican committe members to do so.  Neither did they ask Mr. Powell to come before the committee to testify.  One might ask, "why is that?"  Could it be they're not interested in the truth?


Maybe you didn't read this part or are just skipping it on purpose. Which would be really funny since you posted it.

"Powell was the only former Republican secretary of state who did not sign a letter of support for Bolton that was sent to the committee chairman, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind."

That speaks volumes.
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« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2005, 12:43:23 PM »
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Maybe. Why not just vote and get it done?


Because they are investigating him?

The Foreign Relations Committee postponed a vote on Bolton's nomination Tuesday after a Republican member, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, joined Democrats in asking for more time to investigate fresh allegations about the nominee's conduct.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/22/senate.bolton/index.html
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