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Offline Clifra Jones

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« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2005, 01:01:29 PM »
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Maybe you didn't read this part or are just skipping it on purpose. Which would be really funny since you posted it.

"Powell was the only former Republican secretary of state who did not sign a letter of support for Bolton that was sent to the committee chairman, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind."

That speaks volumes.


Personally I don't see why anyone really cares what Powell says at this point in time. What were his Foriegn Policy/Diplomatic successes? Not many that I can think of. He failed to get the world community behind this countries policies and THAT my friends is what the Sec. of State is supposed to do. He also FAILED to kick the foriegn service into line so they would stop opposing/undermining the presidents policy, something that is being done now that we have a real leader in that job.

They say Bolten is a Suck Up/Kick Down kind of guy, well Powell as a Suck Down/Kick Up kind of guy.  Anyone who has ever performed a successfiul leadership role know that you cannot lead by kissing your subordinates butts. Sometime those butts have to be kicked, and if they don't like you because of it well that's their problem not yours.
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« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2005, 01:04:43 PM »
As if the Democrats were ever going to vote for him. I believe their minds were made up the moment he was nominated.

No matter what the NSA reports say, minds were made up long ago.

Pretend there's some sort of objective evaluation going on if you like.

I would rather they drop the pretensions, hold the vote and move on. Bolton isn't going to pass; the pretense of an unbiased evaluation is laughable.

It doesn't matter anyway because of the post itself. Anyone would do.
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« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2005, 01:09:32 PM »
Sod the UN.  Amen.  Manrider, errr Skydancer you need to get over your obsession w/ Toad..... it's creepy.
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« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2005, 01:26:54 PM »
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As if the Democrats were ever going to vote for him. I believe their minds were made up the moment he was nominated.

No matter what the NSA reports say, minds were made up long ago.

Pretend there's some sort of objective evaluation going on if you like.

I would rather they drop the pretensions, hold the vote and move on. Bolton isn't going to pass; the pretense of an unbiased evaluation is laughable.

It doesn't matter anyway because of the post itself. Anyone would do.


he got his war.  anything else coming out of the whitehouse is going to have to have at least a bit of candy on it.
is anyone really surprized that people arent jumping blindly on the chimp wagon these days?
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« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2005, 01:35:03 PM »
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is anyone really surprized that people arent jumping blindly on the chimp wagon these days?


Exactly. After the last bunch of bs that we got from the intelligence community anyone who forces their opinion onto intelligence reports in contradiction to actual information is probably not gonna get a government job these days.
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« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2005, 01:38:46 PM »
No, what people expect is that the Senate will do what it is supposed to do rather than obstruct things that need to be done.

Bolton? Who cares? If not him, we need someone else. Just vote and get on with it. Same with the judges; obviously, the country needs the vacancies filled. Vote and get on with it.
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« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2005, 01:41:50 PM »
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No, what people expect is that the Senate will do what it is supposed to do rather than obstruct things that need to be done.

Bolton? Who cares? If not him, we need someone else. Just vote and get on with it. Same with the judges; obviously, the country needs the vacancies filled. Vote and get on with it.


Since when is an investigation an obstruction? ....

Sounds like you would be all for skipping past those lengthy, obstructive trial procedings and just sentencing people too.
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« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2005, 01:42:43 PM »
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No, what people expect is that the Senate will do what it is supposed to do rather than obstruct things that need to be done.

Bolton? Who cares? If not him, we need someone else. Just vote and get on with it. Same with the judges; obviously, the country needs the vacancies filled. Vote and get on with it.


The senate doing what it's supposed to? what government do you watch? lol

I thought the position doesnt matter, so why do we NEED someone ? just let it be empty. might say more than any hardliner that gets thrown in.
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« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2005, 01:55:29 PM »
So you think it's better to cheer the Senate's obstruction? So you can complain about the government?

Yeah, the UN position needs to be filled. Somebody has to answer the phone and tell them we're not interested.
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« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2005, 02:01:17 PM »
funny how its gone the other way for so many years.
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« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2005, 02:04:48 PM »
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Since when is an investigation an obstruction? ....
 


When they've already made up their minds prior to the investigation.
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« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2005, 02:07:57 PM »
funny how that has been going on too.
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« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2005, 02:12:07 PM »
Not that my opinion on this matters one whit, but if the United Nations is ever going to be useful then massive reform is necessary. For instance, when the Secretary General's son is heavily involved in a massive international fraud for personal gain and his closest associates are burning the midnight oil for weeks in order to destroy official documents lest they be used to show the culpability of UN officials in crimes far worse than the illegal double-parking they view as their God given right, then we are talking about an organization clearly riddled with corruption. If you want reform, you don't put in someone who thinks the organization is just wonderful as it is, you put in someone who is in favor of root and branch changes.

BTW - along those lines, if you do want a plausible objection to Bolton the fact that Kofi Anan has endorsed him comes to mind...

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« Reply #73 on: April 26, 2005, 02:54:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Raider179
Maybe you didn't read this part or are just skipping it on purpose. Which would be really funny since you posted it.

"Powell was the only former Republican secretary of state who did not sign a letter of support for Bolton that was sent to the committee chairman, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind."

That speaks volumes.


I did read it, and I left that part in on purpose.  I don't believe iin selectively omitting evidence just to artificially push a point.  Does it indeed speak volumes?  Maybe, maybe not.  You're inferring more than the evidence supports, I believe.  Not endorsing someone is not the same as coming out against that person.  Was Powell asked to endorse him?  I don't know.  Maybe they knew Powell and Bolton had their differences, and decided not to seek his endorsement.  Based on what Powell's spokesmen/women have said thus far, Powell has no problem with the nomination.  Would he have picked another candidate if asked?  Perhaps so.  That may be all the absense of Powell's signature on the letter means.  The point is, again, this is all speculation.
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« Reply #74 on: April 26, 2005, 04:29:12 PM »
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I did read it, and I left that part in on purpose.  I don't believe iin selectively omitting evidence just to artificially push a point.  Does it indeed speak volumes?  Maybe, maybe not.  You're inferring more than the evidence supports, I believe.  Not endorsing someone is not the same as coming out against that person.  Was Powell asked to endorse him?  I don't know.  Maybe they knew Powell and Bolton had their differences, and decided not to seek his endorsement.  Based on what Powell's spokesmen/women have said thus far, Powell has no problem with the nomination.  Would he have picked another candidate if asked?  Perhaps so.  That may be all the absense of Powell's signature on the letter means.  The point is, again, this is all speculation.


Oh ok so they went back how many years to get the last 7 secretaries of state to sign off on him and powell just wasn't asked. lmao right...

ok so powell and him have differences, I.E. he doesn't endorse him.

Powell's "spokesman" as you put it is actually a state department spokesman, not his personal spokesman.
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