Author Topic: 109 G14 (Read 1059 times)

Kaz · « **on:** April 24, 2005, 07:03:42 PM »

Anyone know of a general month when squadrons started receiving them?

Thanks in advance!

agent 009 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2005, 08:30:51 PM »

April 44 for G-14 AS according to Heinz Knoke

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2005, 09:58:11 PM »

G-14 entered service with II/JG 11 and Stab/JG 53 in July 1944.

Full deployment = August 1944

G-14/AS entered service with II/JG 27 and I/JG 77 in August 1944. (Prien & Rodeike)

5500 G-14s were produced (including around 1000 G-14/AS)

IK3 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2005, 10:55:12 PM »

is G-14 simply a re-engined 109G-6?

is it faster than 109G-10?

does it climb faster than 109G-10?

Kweassa · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2005, 02:24:58 AM »

G-14 was a project for standardizing all the different upgrades that were done to the 'default' G-6s. If you look at a very early G-6, you'll notice that it even looks quite different from the exterior, when compared to the later G-6s.

So, by 1944, the Luftwaffe had three prime objectives in 109 development;

1) develop a successor to the G series
2) when the new variant is finished, upgrade all existing G models to its standards
3) standardize all new G series production to 1) and 2) standards

1) would be the Kurfurst
2) would be the G-10
3) would be the G-14...

The problem was, the development for the Bf109K was delayed too much, thus the LW decided to carry on with 3) first.

Therefore, the G-14 actually arrived first, then the K-4, and the G-10 was the last mass produced 109.

IIRC, that is.. it was something like that.

Schaden · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:19:08 AM »

Proper LW anorak would be able to confirm but I though the G14 was as Kweassa said an interim project that fell between the G6 and K4/G10 - slightly improved peformance over G6 but not as hot as the K4/G10.

er I think.

Charge · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:39:57 AM »

I find it confusing that Julius Meimberg stated in his book that they had G14s (AS?) which did not have a self sealing fuel tank and armour was stripped down to minimum to reduce weight??

-C+

Angus · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:40:30 AM »

Hartman's last 109 was a G14, right?
Some cool paintjob he had.

GScholz · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:22:08 AM »

Hartmann's last ride was a K-4.

Schaden · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:33:35 AM »

Still think we should ge the proper K4 with the retracting tail wheel and 300 (lbs/kg?) weight loss.

Angus · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:40:38 AM »

Ah, was browsing for it, but didn't find.
Would be nice to get a Pic of Hartmann's G-14 with the Tulip paint. That one to AH!!!

Angus · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:49:56 AM »

tried to insert image, but no luck.

KurfÃ¼rst · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:23:57 AM »

What Wotan said. But so that agent 009 would be right, too

, quite a few G-6s and G-5s received AS engines and/or MW injection before the G-14 appeared, so these planes were also equal to the G-14 and G-14/AS in performance, if not in designation. The engine was really the same, DB 605A, but when MW50 was fitted and boost were accordingly increased, it was designation 605 AM or sometimes 605 A/m.

Knoke`s plane he mentions in his diary is, afaik, a G-5/AS with MW injection also built in.

The G-14/AS and G-10 were quite close in performance, the latter was some little as 10 kph faster at altitude at 690kph/7.5km.

Angus · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:51:23 AM »

Izzi, do you have a good picture of Hartmann's G6,G14 or K?
The one with the Tulip you know.
If I ever get a go at the graphics, that would be my first

GScholz · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2005, 06:49:01 AM »

Hartmann's Gustavs & Kurfürst

G-6 '43

G-6 '44

G-10 '44

K-4 '45

Replica of Hartmann's G-14 at the San Diego Aerospace Museum