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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #135 on: April 26, 2005, 12:46:50 PM »
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Hey Corky... shhhhhhh.... before long you'll be typing a book on every post.

Oops, too late... :D


LOL, it's only because I seem to lack the ability to say anything clearly in a short sentence.

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« Reply #136 on: April 26, 2005, 01:05:51 PM »
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Dude, your views are out of date.  Well, mostly they are.


Undoubtedly; I'll see if I can update them :)



This is nothing more than adjusting to the setting.


If it was just long; or just short; fair enough; it's when it's different ranges for frnd or nma it annoys, (ok, ok, annoyed).


 



We're working on this.  I still think that ganging is less than it is in the MA.

It's not the quantity; it's the quality. I've always found the CT particularly merciless in this regard. Contrary to the good old days of fighter town; CT guys seem to take _pride_ in ganging and unfair fights. It may be "historical"; but then so is the Axis losing. Is it fun?



And they haven't, in BoB scenarios, for some years now, Seeker.

Very prolly true; but I reckon CV's and base grab are the bane of the CT (unless a specific CV recreation is attempted; in which case it's cool)



Which is fine in the MA, where the guy on the other side can grab a Spit and you'll be even.  In an Axis v. Allied setup, where range is not a factor, the Axis has no equivalent to the Spit in the ETO (we had a fun match between Spit 9s and Niks one week, though).  Your observation on this is shared by many others, so that when there are spits in a setup the vast majority of allied pilots fly spits, and it is unpleasant to fly axis.

The Axis has no equal to the Spit in the ETO? Did I just hear you say that the Axis plane set; which runs up to and including the Ta152 and the Me 109-G10 (not to mention the superlative 262) cannot match either a 1942 SpitV nor a 1943 Spit IX nor a 1944 Spit XIV? What about the Spit I? Will the leather boys risk their hot rods against a Spit I? Really; me thinks the wobbles protesteth too much..... :)  Obviously Brits should only be limited to Hurris (but only with 303's); because we're so over reachingly Uber!


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But to be honest; the _real_ reason I don't fly there is the same as any one else confronted with the log on screen. Do I click on the line with 5 people; or with 450 people? A viscious circle I know.

I know that I _really_ want the CT to succeed; because I'd like to fly the Battle of Britain on-line 24/7; but when ever I've been there; the fun's been not so good.

I salute yours and +Tiff's efforts; and I'll try to remember to pop in a bit more.

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« Reply #137 on: April 26, 2005, 02:00:51 PM »
Well; just popped in.

there was nobody (0) there. That's OK; some one's got to be first.

Lovely plane set; although I still find it odd that comparitivly rare planes (I said comparitivly; dammit!) in the ETO such as the P38L are unlimited; while the ubiquitous Spits; both the V and the IX are only to be had in bases well away from the front line.

Not even Biggin hill nor Manston had Spits!

So I took that well know ETO fighter; the P38L and porked A45. By myself; taking about 15 -20 flak hits in the process (OK; I suck) with no damage. Ack a bit light perhaps?

Oh well; it's no ones fault there's no one there for me to fight; but it IS odd that England almost has no Spits!

But lots of late war pork mobiles.......

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« Reply #138 on: April 26, 2005, 03:22:13 PM »
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When the Spit5 is included and its near the front feilds 7 out of 10 allies are in it. Yet when only the Spit9 is in less than half fly it... why is that redd?


Actually I think the answer is fairly simple.

You have a Spitfire LFVc vs a Spit FIX.

If you are a furballer and can get the other guy to fight your fight, you'll take a Spit V everytime.  It's lighter which means it turns better, it has the same ammo load as a Spit IX,  and the Spit IX that AH has isn't an LF, which means it's performance isn't at it's best at the altitudes AH is fought at.

Give me an LFIXe and I'll take it everytime over an LFVc, but as it stands now, the AH Spitfire V is more optimized for the fighting that goes on in AH.

THe secret is not to fight the Spit Vs fight.  If you get it low and slow, it's going to get inside you and boom.  But it can't catch you and you can B& Z it all day long.

Problem is a good Spit V pilot will evade forever until you get frustrated and try and turn with him, then boom you are done :)

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« Reply #139 on: April 26, 2005, 03:29:14 PM »
Exactly Guppy....

The 109 is a slash and run bird, both in AH and in WW2. It wasn't designed to "rumble" and doesn't excel in it. It was both the strength and weakness of the bird. Obviously in AH where icons and DAR make the suprise bounce much less of a reality you have negated some of the 109's edge. Also if you read the various after action reports its not uncommon for the attacking force to bounce an enemy formation in a "one and done" manner and scoot home with wahtever pelts they got in the one attack. While involved combat wasnt uncommon it want the norm either.

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« Reply #140 on: April 26, 2005, 03:42:38 PM »
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...........but I reckon CV's and base grab are the bane of the CT (unless a specific CV recreation is attempted; in which case it's cool)

The Axis has no equal to the Spit in the ETO? Did I just hear you say that the Axis plane set; which runs up to and including the Ta152 and the Me 109-G10 (not to mention the superlative 262) cannot match either a 1942 SpitV nor a 1943 Spit IX nor a 1944 Spit XIV? What about the Spit I? Will the leather boys risk their hot rods against a Spit I? Really; me thinks the wobbles protesteth too much..... :)  Obviously Brits should only be limited to Hurris (but only with 303's); because we're so over reachingly Uber!


On the CV issue, it's been debated several times, in different setups.  I *believe* the current consensus is that CVs (when in use) are kept close enough to get fighters into the action, thats about it.  

As for the Spit issue, I really wish they would put the V back down to +12 boost and end this argument.  But if I am flying allied in a BoB setup, give me a Hurricane anytime over a Spit.  If they'd give me the Hurri IIb I'd never touch a Spitfire again.  :)

If given a choice only of Spits though, I'll fly the Spit I over the V anyday.

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« Reply #141 on: April 26, 2005, 04:18:40 PM »
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...........but I reckon CV's and base grab are the bane of the CT (unless a specific CV recreation is attempted; in which case it's cool)

The Axis has no equal to the Spit in the ETO? Did I just hear you say that the Axis plane set; which runs up to and including the Ta152 and the Me 109-G10 (not to mention the superlative 262) cannot match either a 1942 SpitV nor a 1943 Spit IX nor a 1944 Spit XIV? What about the Spit I? Will the leather boys risk their hot rods against a Spit I? Really; me thinks the wobbles protesteth too much.....  Obviously Brits should only be limited to Hurris (but only with 303's); because we're so over reachingly Uber!


The CT rarly put in the Ta152 Me 109G10 Me262 Fw 190A9, and when they do its flying agenst the D pony and typh and temp.

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« Reply #142 on: April 26, 2005, 07:32:34 PM »
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The CT rarly put in the Ta152 Me 109G10 Me262 Fw 190A9, and when they do its flying agenst the D pony and typh and temp.

Very true.  In the MA you can have G10s, Doras and the like flying after Spits, but in the CT the Axis is typically using G6s and 190s - as in the present setup.

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« Reply #143 on: April 26, 2005, 07:44:44 PM »
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Storch I have my elv and airleon (sp?:)) mapped to the "hat" on back of throttle...my X-45 hats are going so I got an X-52...rudder toggle much better then "twisty" IMO. If you you do watch the MA clip you'll see once I get em all on my 6 (which is where I want em SA wise) I auto trim....never touch anything but elv trim after that...I think there are 3 or 4 places where I might have lost the bird on "combat" trim...especially when I'm in the climbing right hander hanging the prop on the 205 and rudder over the other way on him....earlier clip shows 109F in all kinds of "free fall" basically the bird is stalled...but under control....now if I had trim being input to "recover" the bird it would spin for sure....you'll be amazed how much better the birds fly (zeke also) without Combat Trim....


aileron!! (airleon must be a french or spanish flying lion) :D I'm slightly handicapprd as i'm missing about 1/2 of my right thumb so the joystick hats are useless to me.  still haven't looked at those films I just pranced in from the shop but I will look at them later.  thanks.

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« Reply #144 on: April 26, 2005, 07:56:11 PM »
Ouch....no wonder your so crumpy....:p

All you really need is elevator....rest is secondary...just auto trim bird at speed you like or before you rumble and it'll be fine...

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« Reply #145 on: April 26, 2005, 07:57:30 PM »
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aileron!! (airleon must be a french or spanish flying lion) :D I'm slightly handicapprd as i'm missing about 1/2 of my right thumb so the joystick hats are useless to me.  still haven't looked at those films I just pranced in from the shop but I will look at them later.  thanks.
Well Igrew up in the hood....Air Leon is Jordans 2nd cousin on his nephews side....I think:)

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« Reply #146 on: April 26, 2005, 08:00:43 PM »
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aileron!! (airleon must be a french or spanish flying lion) :D I'm slightly handicapprd as i'm missing about 1/2 of my right thumb so the joystick hats are useless to me.  still haven't looked at those films I just pranced in from the shop but I will look at them later.  thanks.




Tried Track IR  Vector Storch  ?  It's very good . I can't use it personally , as I'm too used to hats, but if wasn't a long term hat user , I think I could adjust to it
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« Reply #147 on: April 26, 2005, 08:09:28 PM »
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Any mappings for the x52?  

Has anyone been able to use the second hat switch with the x52?


 I have mine second hat working fine Soda. Ill try to catch you online and see what you're having issues with.

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« Reply #148 on: April 26, 2005, 08:10:35 PM »
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Redd, you take any varient of the 109 in the CT up tonight and I'll go grab a Spit5... and I want you to show me how un uber the Spit5 is by whacking me over and over again cause I'll not be able to compete with you.



Ok I'm ready now  , based on recent  flight testing , I will choose the G10.


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« Reply #149 on: April 26, 2005, 08:18:24 PM »
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Tried Track IR  Vector Storch  ?  It's very good . I can't use it personally , as I'm too used to hats, but if wasn't a long term hat user , I think I could adjust to it


I tried the earlier version track IR but it made me feel like I had spent the weekend listening to my mother in law.