Thoughts on the 109F4

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Krusty
Guppy we DON'T have the LFV in AH. We have a V that's got a rare later-war engine. There's a difference between LFV and FV. We just have a way-to-powerful FV. That probably out performs the LFV lol!!

Edit never mind you didn't say we HAD it. You were saying lose both spits for the LFIX. Mis-read your post.


I think we need more variety. The SpitV should be for early matches and the IX for mid war matches. Making just 1 would unbalance any CT setup you might ever want.

Actually I believe it is an LFV.  I think you are referring to the Merlin 50M.  The numbers are from a 1943 trial with this engine and seemed to explain what we're seeing as it was optimized for low alt and +18 boost.

So I think what it should be in the end is the Spitfire FVb that was the mainstay of Fighter Command in 41-42 and the Spitfire LFIX that was the most produced of the Spit IX variants covering 43-45.  Throw in the Spit I we have to cover 39-40 and we're in business

Dan/CorkyJr

[Grits]

Originally posted by Guppy35
So I think what it should be in the end is the Spitfire FVb that was the mainstay of Fighter Command in 41-42

Which is what we had with the old 12+ boost version I think. It makes no difference in the MA, but the Spit V we have now is really out of place in a '41-'42 CT planeset, its a '43-'44 plane.

Its odd to me that we have the best (and last) version of the Spit V from '43 and we have (from what I gather) a kind of mix-matched IX that is also from '43ish but is the worst performing IX. It seems like we need a worse performing V (a '41-'42 appropriate plane) and a better version of the IX than we have now.

[Kweassa]

But I recall Wotan mentioning that our Bf109F-4 runs at 1.42ata too - which was not sanctioned in 1941 when the F-4s fought SpitVs over the channel.

 Thus, its a fair matchup. In AH1 we had a 12+ boost derated, original '41 SpitV pitted against a 1.42 ara Bf109F-4.


(Or at least, that's what I figured from Wotan)

[Grits]

Yup, I remember that too. Hmm, guess the 109F just sucked then.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by humble
Flew a couple of hops in the DA in 109E vs Skyrock in SpitV. No question he's got a better set of merges than I do....but we both came away thinking the 109E (in my hands at least) has zippo chance vs a spit V. So if you can take on a well flown spit V in one your alot better than I am....

Nothing stands a chance against a SpitV in the DA.  A good flown Spit will always win the DA head on merge.  In the MA it is different.  Merges are not always head on, 10ft of the deck, at equal speeds, the fear of the HO shot is there, the unsertenty of what the other guy is going to do, etc.  Dont know mach about the Es but I tried the F4 the last couple of days.  I killed spits and NIKs as easyly as they killed me, in turn fights.

[humble]

The 109 has a chance if pilot skill is far enough apart. But against any of the real good "duelists" I dont see how. If you contrast the "phish" fights its pretty telling. In spitty on spitty duels (probably 5 or 6) we went from my getting wax on the merge to being "in the hole" to my "losing" the bird to "better". Actually an awful lot of progress but far far from being back where I want to be.

Now in the spit vs 109 it went from poor planning (E opener) to pilot error to victory to "domination" in 5 fights vs a far superior pilot. I couldnt even lay a 20mm on him in 5 hops spit vs spit....but by the end of 5 hops with him in the 109 he was nuetered from the merge on last two.

[Eagler]

as much the plane as it is the ammo

one ping from spit and your dead - normal

one ping death from 109f - rare/if ever

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Eagler
as much the plane as it is the ammo

one ping from spit and your dead - normal

one ping death from 109f - rare/if ever

Not trying to deffend Spits cause it is true, a couple of pings from 600+ at the right spot and you are gone, but, it is posible with the F.  I got an LA7 last night with a single ping on the canopy.  Its just harder to hit.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by dedalos
Nothing stands a chance against a SpitV in the DA.

Fear Wadke's F6F...GHEEESH lol:p