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Offline ASTAC

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« on: April 28, 2005, 10:44:49 AM »
Bleeding herarted people have made it impossible to disipline a child. Even as parents you can get in trouble if someone percieves your actions against your own child unacceptable...

If I had behaved like this in school..there would have been no police, but I wouldn't have been able to sit down anymore..

And people have the nerve to say the police went too far?

Well this is the last staw for me..our society is lost and urecoverable..The USA is in ruin. When my enlistment is up..I'm gone...any suggestions on a better place to live? I'm just so sick of people bending the government and our laws to the point where even at home I can't have a say in my and my family's live and how we go about living...

F@ck the USA...bunch of tree huggin, bleeding heart liberal prettythangholes.

oh and heres the link to the story, though I'm sure you all have seen it by now.
http://www.tampabaylive.com/stories/2005/04/050422girlarrest.shtml
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2005, 10:56:55 AM »
Don't come to Britain, it's even worse here.


And if ya find some utopia somewhere....let me know.


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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2005, 11:00:44 AM »
The restraint showed by the teacher amazes me.    Fully support the polices action here.    The lawyer is probably just sniffing for a big settlement from the school district or the police.  

When I was in school, teachers could discipline the kids.   I was a good student and even I was occasionally struck or roughed up by a teacher if I was out of line.   We (most of us anyway) respected the teachers.

Should be that way again.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2005, 11:01:28 AM »
im more worried that your cops cant restrain a 5 year old without handcuffs.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2005, 11:20:06 AM »
Its too bad the cops had to be called in the first place.  But how else should they have restrained her?   Seems to me they were in a no win situation.  The cuffs didn't harm her, and did accomplish restraining her.     If they physically restrained her themsleves they'd probably really be looking at brutality or excessive force charges.  

From the story it sounds like she and her mother had run ins with the police before, and the officer had threatened to cuff her before.  btw, that 5 yr looked bigger than a typical 5 yr.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2005, 11:20:08 AM »
Central PA but not State College.  You'll find the nicest people ever and most of them are conservative.



Just read the article.  I see nothing wrong with scaring the **** out of a kid by threatening them with the police.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2005, 11:45:19 AM »
ASTAC,

My experience talking with teachers, especially in the public schools, is that in many areas their job is becoming well-nigh impossible. Children are increasingly being raised in single-parent households, where there has been no coherent morality or ethical instruction for generations. Discipline in these households, when it occurs at all, is arbitrary and is dished out on a "you've made mommy mad" basis. Everyone in the household grows up learning that the only rule is to be utterly autonomous, selfish, and self-absorbed. Under those circumstances, the family which is the primary building block of a society, ceases to be a family at all and simply becomes a breeding-ground for lawless barbarians. "Pirates and Prostitutes" as a friend of mine commented. The long term social cost is reflected in the fact that the vast majority of new members of the US prison population were raised by single mothers. (Interestingly in the big "no-duh" category, taxpayers paid for research that concluded: "Each year spent without a dad in the home increases the odds of future incarceration by about 5%. ")

So how do you teach someone who wont sit down, has never been uniformly disciplined, has never seen a society function on anything except a "grab what you can basis,"who psychologically speaking, simply "acts out" on every impulse with no inner restraints, and who has no ethics at all, especially when you are legally prohibited from doing anything but the most flaccid discipline or simply kicking them out?

Educators can't do the job of parents and they certainly can't do it and try to educate as well, so everyone in the classroom suffers because of the presence of "little barbarians" like the one in the video.

As to where to run? ASTAC, there is nowhere, no more frontiers, or new places to start another "shining city on a hill." We can't become neo-puritans and simply move to new colonies and craft a better society. Either we reform this one, or we go the way of every society that has become utterly decadent.

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2005, 11:49:55 AM »
I hear good things about Canada.

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2005, 12:03:43 PM »
It's not only this issue on Children that has me angered...It's our society's apparent lack of any moral fiber. An example..the ACLU defending NAMBLA...their arguement is thet NAMBLA has a right to free speach and therefore they took the case...but any group with any moral fortitude would have rejected the case. If anyone tries to reform our country based on morals they are shunned and labled "Christian Fundamentalist" or right wing nut-jobs.

On top of that our government no longer fuctions or serves any purpose but to piss off the rest of the world and waste our money. Besides trying to tell us how to live every minute of our lives.
Here's a quote from a Senator from a republic not unlike ours (thought much larger) that seems to hold true
"The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. THERE IS NO INTEREST IN THE COMMON GOOD. There is no civility, only politics."

I mean really. These people that we elect to represent the people, do not represent us at all. They vote how they want, no matter what public opinion on an issue is, with no fear of not being re-elected because they will just lie to us some more and we will believe it.

I've had it...too bad for me, I'm not wacko enough to join a militia and incite an armed insurgency.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2005, 12:50:29 PM »
Well hopefully the ACLU will lose this one.  I find NAMBLA thoroughly disgusting.

I would like to see a new party form - one the represents the 70% of the middle in politics.   Kinda like what the Democrats used to be - simple, clearminded folk - Farmers and Laborers.

'course with corporate farms replacing family farms and labor moving off shore, not sure how many of those groups are left.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2005, 01:06:28 PM »
You could always try Utah...  Other than restrictive porn and booze laws, they seem to be reasonably conservative about telling people what they can and can't do.  You don't hear many stories about unwed Mormon crack babies either.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2005, 01:37:11 PM »
Sad.
Once the cops are called if the girl doesnt back down all they have is the cuffs. Thats what cops do.
Certainly long befor they call the cops they call the parent(s) and have her removed from school by them?

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2005, 01:44:51 PM »
I remember in Jr High school we had a woodshop teacher namer "Kerone"...ex marine type.  This guy was the focal point for the entire district and had perfected the manufacture of drag free paddles.  That is to say, a large two handed spanking device made from the finest select Teik hardwood. About three foot in length with two foot being basball bat type handle and the last foot being a flat surface with half inch holes drilled into it every two inches.

I witnessed a poorly behaving fella come in from the hallway after being disciplined by one of these things.  He was cocky and arrogant on the way out but when he came back in he was treared up and defeated.  Behaved the rest of the day if I recall.

By the time I went into high school the state legislature had  made corporal punishment unlawful.  I remember taking advantage of that fact ;)
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2005, 01:49:09 PM »
The video I saw showed the girl sitting quietly before the cuffs were put on. No problem with calling police, but the cuffs were way too much.


The asst. Principal sounded like an idiot.. "You don't have the Right.." I just wonder how many 5 year olds she has talked to.

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2005, 01:51:11 PM »
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