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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2005, 04:15:42 AM »
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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2005, 10:19:07 AM »
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Hiya fellow Portlander:) Lets do lunch sometime.

Come on you can substitute Bush or any other politicians name in your paragraph. :)
They are all weasels.
And its our fault . We keep voting the weasels in:)
I know what politicians are. If you think hillary is typical, you are dillusional. I've not seen a combination of pandering to polls, no real clue as to how anything works and no real guidance other than responding to other candidates stances and statements. She has not had a single original idea. These are not quotes that are being taken out of context. These are quotes that she walked right up to a camera to say.

I have a bit more respect anyone that has a certain level of distaste for the media. The Clintons did not. They used them like they were part of their campaign team. Eventually, the media felt right at home there. They were just a little put off when Bill wasn't running again and managed to show just how lost they were for the next 5 years. Dan Rather's little blunder was the culmination of that and a major wake up call for most of America.

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2005, 10:19:39 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2005, 12:41:34 PM »
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Yeah, and Clinton really did a great job by giving NK 2 nuke plants.





I may be wrong and not to take sides here but i don't believe we ever actually built the two Nuclear plants, that's the reason they gave for backing out of the deal. Not that they ever stuck to it anyways.



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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2005, 12:53:49 PM »
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I know what politicians are. If you think hillary is typical, you are dillusional. I've not seen a combination of pandering to polls, no real clue as to how anything works and no real guidance other than responding to other candidates stances and statements. She has not had a single original idea. These are not quotes that are being taken out of context. These are quotes that she walked right up to a camera to say.

I have a bit more respect anyone that has a certain level of distaste for the media. The Clintons did not. They used them like they were part of their campaign team. Eventually, the media felt right at home there. They were just a little put off when Bill wasn't running again and managed to show just how lost they were for the next 5 years. Dan Rather's little blunder was the culmination of that and a major wake up call for most of America.


 Talk about pandering to the press and out right lieing:

1."Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

ZERO Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq

2.“U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents.”

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

ZERO Munitions Found
Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq

3.
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

ZERO Al Qaeda Connection

To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)

4.
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

NOT TRUE

The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.


5.
"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

VP Dick Cheney – “Meet the Press” 3/16/2003

NOT TRUE

“The IAEA had found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq."

IAEA report to UN Security Council – 3/7/2003



We can go back and forth forever. I dont find Hillary to be any different than the rest of them.
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« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2005, 01:01:35 PM »
Not so much lies as it is statements made on faulty intelligence.
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« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2005, 01:06:12 PM »
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Not so much lies as it is statements made on faulty intelligence.


You can only believe that if you discount that Bush and friends were told it wasnt good info. They were told but chose to ignore it. They had an agenda.
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« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2005, 01:12:15 PM »
Wow silat. There's not much point in even adressing that. It has absolutely nothing to do with the press since those were actually speaches delivered to the world... but you go ahead and refuse to see any difference if that makes you feel better.

Bush presented things to the people... right or wrong. The Clintons presented it to the press who then presented it to the people.

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« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2005, 01:19:55 PM »
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Wow silat. There's not much point in even adressing that. It has absolutely nothing to do with the press since those were actually speaches delivered to the world... but you go ahead and refuse to see any difference if that makes you feel better.

Bush presented things to the people... right or wrong. The Clintons presented it to the press who then presented it to the people.



Ummm I do believe the press showed us what the Pres and friends were saying.
And if you dont believe the Pres was manipulating us and the press then you are correct in saying there isnt much point in addressing this.
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« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2005, 01:25:53 PM »
Manipulating us? Yeah... I see.

This will come up in any topic you post on silat. It's like a broken record with you. You were so spoon fed for 8 years that you simply fail to see anything else. It's OK... sometime in the next 20 years someone will whip out the spoon again. Someone will run a popular oppinion campaign and you'll be all cheary. Then, when they leave things in shambles, you can blame the next administration for having to makes some very difficult decisions.

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« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2005, 01:33:45 PM »
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Manipulating us? Yeah... I see.

This will come up in any topic you post on silat. It's like a broken record with you. You were so spoon fed for 8 years that you simply fail to see anything else. It's OK... sometime in the next 20 years someone will whip out the spoon again. Someone will run a popular oppinion campaign and you'll be all cheary. Then, when they leave things in shambles, you can blame the next administration for having to makes some very difficult decisions.


WOA "Flagg on the play"  common sense inclusion infraction!  5 yard penalty....first down!

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« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2005, 01:40:16 PM »
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Manipulating us? Yeah... I see.

This will come up in any topic you post on silat. It's like a broken record with you. You were so spoon fed for 8 years that you simply fail to see anything else. It's OK... sometime in the next 20 years someone will whip out the spoon again. Someone will run a popular oppinion campaign and you'll be all cheary. Then, when they leave things in shambles, you can blame the next administration for having to makes some very difficult decisions.


First of all Im never ever cheery:)
Second Im not sure Ill be alive in 20 years.:)
And Im pretty sure its you who is being spoon feed and liking it:)
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« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2005, 02:04:47 PM »
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WOA "Flagg on the play"  common sense inclusion infraction!  5 yard penalty....first down!


Common sense ended with this administration... Game over....:)
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« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2005, 04:42:26 PM »
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Ummm I do believe the press showed us what the Pres and friends were saying.
And if you dont believe the Pres was manipulating us and the press then you are correct in saying there isnt much point in addressing this.


Maybe you should try backing up your statements with links?

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You can only believe that if you discount that Bush and friends were told it wasnt good info. They were told but chose to ignore it. They had an agenda.


I believe that if there was any  credible evidence that this might be true that the media would have been all over this like white on rice.

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Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq


FALSE!!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/addenda.pdf

Since May 2004, ISG has recovered 41 Sakr-18
CW rockets and eight Buraq CW rockets.

Since 2003, insurgents have attacked Coalition
Forces with two CW rounds (not including attacks
with riot control agents)

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ZERO Al Qaeda Connection

To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)


None?

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=12798

Saddam was known to harbor and give aid to terrorists. If I gave food, shelter and medical aid to someone I knew was a murderer I would immediatley become an accomplice and just as guilty as the murderer himself. I think the same priniciple applies here.

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The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.


Link(s) please.

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"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."


ISG report linked above clearly talks about how Saddam tryed to preserve his WMD programs.

You really should post sources for this stuff. :)

*edit* Whoops! forgot the ISG link ;)
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« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2005, 05:27:24 PM »
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Maybe you should try backing up your statements with links?

 

I believe that if there was any  credible evidence that this might be true that the media would have been all over this like white on rice.

 

FALSE!!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/addenda.pdf

Since May 2004, ISG has recovered 41 Sakr-18
CW rockets and eight Buraq CW rockets.

Since 2003, insurgents have attacked Coalition
Forces with two CW rounds (not including attacks
with riot control agents)



None?

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=12798

Saddam was known to harbor and give aid to terrorists. If I gave food, shelter and medical aid to someone I knew was a murderer I would immediatley become an accomplice and just as guilty as the murderer himself. I think the same priniciple applies here.

 

Link(s) please.

 

ISG report linked above clearly talks about how Saddam tryed to preserve his WMD programs.

You really should post sources for this stuff. :)

*edit* Whoops! forgot the ISG link ;)



Yes Elf you are correct. A flyspeck of old and useless decomposed biological weaponry was found.
NO IMMINENT DANGER:)

Elf you can google as well as I. Intelligence aids to Bush said that IRAN was the wrong target. Bush, Rummy and Cheney didnt like that answer.
This is common knowledge. Check it out.

Elf Pres Bush says there is no link to 9/11 and Saddam. Google it if you must. It is common knowledge.

:)

I just read the current ISG report 2005

Polish Forces recovered 41 Sakr-18 rockets in June
and July 2004. Of the rockets tested one contained
residual sarin, fi ve contained petroleum and a pesticide,
and the remainders were empty. ISG believes
that the Iraqis who provided the rockets added the
pesticide because we have no previous reporting
indicating that Iraq weaponized pesticides.
ISG has not found evidence to indicate that Iraq
did not destroy its BW weapons or bulk agents.
However, even if biological agents from the former
program do remain they probably have signifi cantly
decreased pathogenicity because Iraq never successfully
formulated its biological agents for long-term
storage.
• According to a former Iraqi BW researcher, Iraq
was not able to acquire drying technology because
of sanctions.
Sarin IED
Mustard IED


Elf you need to read the whole report:)
They had no viable weapons:)

Now if you think they did then you are saying the Pres is lying now:)
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