Hillary Blames Bush for North Korea Nukes

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Silat
Common sense ended with this administration... Game over....

"delay of game"

I beleive you mean the previous administration!

[Elfie]

Elf you need to read the whole report

I did read the entire report. I copied/pasted sections that were relevant to a comment you made about NO weapons being found. There has in fact been more weapons found than what the ISG report says. Example, several artillery shells filled with Mustard gas. The gas was tested and found to be 94 - 97% pure, still viable.

Elf you can google as well as I. Intelligence aids to Bush said that IRAN was the wrong target. Bush, Rummy and Cheney didnt like that answer.

I'm not the one making claims like this. Hence I am not the one that needs to back them up I can google, but I have no idea what sources you have been reading. So fess up with some sources I will glady reverse my position on some of these issues if you can come up with convincing proof.


Your previous post says that there was absolutely nothing found in regards to chemical weapons. That is a false statement. Just in case you forgot what you posted:

ZERO Chemical Weapons Found

Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Mini D
I know what politicians are. If you think hillary is typical, you are dillusional. I've not seen a combination of pandering to polls, no real clue as to how anything works and no real guidance other than responding to other candidates stances and statements. She has not had a single original idea. These are not quotes that are being taken out of context. These are quotes that she walked right up to a camera to say.

I have a bit more respect anyone that has a certain level of distaste for the media. The Clintons did not. They used them like they were part of their campaign team. Eventually, the media felt right at home there. They were just a little put off when Bill wasn't running again and managed to show just how lost they were for the next 5 years. Dan Rather's little blunder was the culmination of that and a major wake up call for most of America.

No offence, but,...

I'm not sure anyone could be more wrong then you are right now. I mean this is no brainer stuff here. In fact, I'm not really sure you gave your own comment much thought at all. Fact is every single political person uses the camera anytime and everytime they can to push their own agenda.

Hillary may get a tad more camera time because she was once a first lady.

Every one uses the camera and the audience that watches the other side of it to push thier beliefs.

I will admit that some will not use it as often because they realize they just don't speak well or don't know when to shut up.

The dillusion is not on Silat's hands.

[FT_Animal]

Oh and BTW,...

The republicans totally and undeniably abused the media cameras when they went after Clinton for a blow-job, and used it repeatedly every single day to insure they ruined him.

But I'm sure that's perfectly fine

;-)

[Tumor]

Evil Boosh, Bad Boosh, Down with Boosh... boohoohoo

[Mini D]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
I'm not sure anyone could be more wrong then you are right now. I mean this is no brainer stuff here. In fact, I'm not really sure you gave your own comment much thought at all. Fact is every single political person uses the camera anytime and everytime they can to push their own agenda.

Ah... the "everyone does it" excuse. Let me modify that for you a bit. "Everyone does it, so doing it a whole hell of alot is OK."

I'm a bit more on the money than you're even remotely willing to admit.

Hillary may get a tad more camera time because she was once a first lady.

Ummmm... yeah. It could also be because she was in a campaign where having the media in their pocket was the cornerstone. It wasn't until the president did something as dumb as getting caught with a fat chick in his room that things managed to turn a bit. But hell... even the spoon fed media can't turn away from the big ones.

Every one uses the camera and the audience that watches the other side of it to push thier beliefs.

I will admit that some will not use it as often because they realize they just don't speak well or don't know when to shut up.

The dillusion is not on Silat's hands.

Once again, you are supporting my argument. Every politician does not use the media to the same degree. You're saying that very thing right now. To believe otherwise is dillusional, no matter how you try to dismiss it.

We can quibble over two politicians in regards to their use of the media and pretty evenly trade blows, unless one of those politicians is hillary clinton.

[Mini D]

BTW... this is a decent quote from Alex Ross:

All politicians, of course, are ironists to the extent that they are all dissemblers. But the Democratic Party seems remarkably inept in the face of Letterman-Limbaugh culture. It has mastered guerrilla-level media manipulation, but its candidates perennially adopt an earnest tone that television cuts to shreds. The Clinton people, who ought to be young enough to know the territory by heart, show no grasp of irony at all.

Guerrilla-level media manipulation.

Of course, the weakness is the one that Hillary is currently displaying on an all too regular basis: Absolutely no grasp of irony.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Mini D
Ah... the "everyone does it" excuse. Let me modify that for you a bit. "Everyone does it, so doing it a whole hell of alot is OK."

I'm a bit more on the money than you're even remotely willing to admit.Ummmm... yeah. It could also be because she was in a campaign where having the media in their pocket was the cornerstone. It wasn't until the president did something as dumb as getting caught with a fat chick in his room that things managed to turn a bit. But hell... even the spoon fed media can't turn away from the big ones.  Once again, you are supporting my argument. Every politician does not use the media to the same degree. You're saying that very thing right now. To believe otherwise is dillusional, no matter how you try to dismiss it.

We can quibble over two politicians in regards to their use of the media and pretty evenly trade blows, unless one of those politicians is hillary clinton.

I think you're a little bit over jealous Clinton hater. To be honest I don't watch TV, unless the wife drags me into watch girly movies, but there is one on constantly 3 ft from my face next to my PC and I almost never see Blillary on it.

On a side note; People who speak through smiles are sending big red flags and flares. Body language is a wonderful thing to learn. You know who I am talking about?

And I still think you're wrong;-)

You will only see what you *want* to see. Therefore arguing with someone who refuses to see both sides, is fruitless.

And again no offence intended, it's a discussion not a flame. ;-)

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Tumor
Evil Boosh, Bad Boosh, Down with Boosh... boohoohoo

3.5 more years and we won't have to worry about all the lies he tells, will we?

Your problem with the bush haters is you think short term, it will all come out in the wash in time. Even now as time goes by even Bush supporters are turning on him, you just have a white knuckle death grip.

[FT_Animal]

Also, to me, you failed to prove your point.

It's ok for the reps to abuse it during the Clinton era, but it's not ok for Hillary to use it the same way, IF she is?

There is an unwritten rule,.. paybacks are a MFer. ;-)

[Mini D]

You're pointing to Monica Lewinski and saying "the republicans did it!"?

Wow. I don't need to prove anything for that one. You've dropped off the deep end there. You use an incident to dismiss an entire campaign strategy. Next thing you know you'll be claiming the whole lewinski thing was a republican ploy and the article breaking the whole thing open was a republican plant. Afterall, the dems and CBS did it... why not the republicans? That would make it all better for you.

You're still ignoring one simple fact: Hillary has consistantly gone in front of the camera with the most ironic statements of all time. The one quoted in the article posted initially in this thread personifies that. The quote MT made also personifies that. Her use of the media is so short sighted that is simply has to be an addiction.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Mini D
You're pointing to Monica Lewinski and saying "the republicans did it!"?

Wow. I don't need to prove anything for that one. You've dropped off the deep end there. You use an incident to dismiss an entire campaign strategy. Next thing you know you'll be claiming the whole lewinski thing was a republican ploy and the article breaking the whole thing open was a republican plant. Afterall, the dems and CBS did it... why not the republicans? That would make it all better for you.

You're still ignoring one simple fact: Hillary has consistantly gone in front of the camera with the most ironic statements of all time. The one quoted in the article posted initially in this thread personifies that. The quote MT made also personifies that. Her use of the media is so short sighted that is simply has to be an addiction.

Oh come on, the reps didn't get *that* blow job but it's not rocket science to know they totally abused the media on it, every single day of over 400 days.

And I will reiterate, IF she is over using the media, which I just don't see happening, it's usually rep supporters/Clinton haters saying so.....paybacks are a MFer, good for her to flip the tables, but she is still not abusing it now as the reps did then. Hey let people dig their own holes, ya know? And it was the reps abusing it going after Kerry's military record BEFORE the CBS thing.

And now, IF she is, again I will repeat, it's ok for the reps to do it but as soon as a dem does it's wrong?

Here's a point, I'm not for either side. I wil go for what party has the best people at the time. I do not stick with any party regardless of who they have running, that's too shallow for me.

You're kind of mixing apples and oranges and the timeline is wrong.

The only way this conversation can exist in any form to deal with reality is to remove the thought or stance as to the party you hang on to. Look from the outside in without parties and it makes much more sense.

What the reps did to Clinton was a campaign strategy. they exploited it every single chance they got, all the while the guys leading the train were themselves caught cheeting on their wives, lets not forget that part of hypocrocy.

I think they all do it, but to single Blillary out is clearly a republican stance because she is smart enough to harm that party. The only people offended by what she says are mostly reps. I think that's pretty clear to see.

You can believe what ever it is you believe and so can I and life goes on. Convincing me of something I see clearly for myself is not an easy task.

[Silat]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
Oh come on, the reps didn't get *that* blow job but it's not rocket science to know they totally abused the media on it, every single day of over 400 days.

And I will reiterate, IF she is over using the media, which I just don't see happening, it's usually rep supporters/Clinton haters saying so.....paybacks are a MFer, good for her to flip the tables, but she is still not abusing it now as the reps did then. Hey let people dig their own holes, ya know? And it was the reps abusing it going after Kerry's military record BEFORE the CBS thing.

And now, IF she is, again I will repeat, it's ok for the reps to do it but as soon as a dem does it's wrong?

Here's a point, I'm not for either side. I wil go for what party has the best people at the time. I do not stick with any party regardless of who they have running, that's too shallow for me.

You're kind of mixing apples and oranges and the timeline is wrong.

The only way this conversation can exist in any form to deal with reality is to remove the thought or stance as to the party you hang on to. Look from the outside in without parties and it makes much more sense.

What the reps did to Clinton was a campaign strategy. they exploited it every single chance they got, all the while the guys leading the train were themselves caught cheeting on their wives, lets not forget that part of hypocrocy.

I think they all do it, but to single Blillary out is clearly a republican stance because she is smart enough to harm that party. The only people offended by what she says are mostly reps. I think that's pretty clear to see.

You can believe what ever it is you believe and so can I and life goes on. Convincing me of something I see clearly for myself is not an easy task.

We are going to have to get the van out ANIMAL. Round up some of these Moonies and reprogram them to see that there is no Left media and that the cult they belong to has lollapooloosled them.

                         

[Mini D]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
And I will reiterate, IF she is over using the media, which I just don't see happening, it's usually rep supporters/Clinton haters saying so.....paybacks are a MFer, good for her to flip the tables, but she is still not abusing it now as the reps did then. Hey let people dig their own holes, ya know? And it was the reps abusing it going after Kerry's military record BEFORE the CBS thing.

LOL! damn... denial is a scary thing. Did you just say that a strategy the Clintons perfected during their campaign and that hillary has been systematically screwing up since she became a senator is the fault of the republicans and people who support republicans? That was masterfully stupid.

And now, IF she is, again I will repeat, it's ok for the reps to do it but as soon as a dem does it's wrong?

Find where I've bashed another dem for doing this. Like I said: I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE THAT HAS USED THE MEDIA THE WAY THE CLINTON'S DID. Did you notice how I said the media was lost the election after bill left office? For the next 5 years? It's odd, but I thought there was a democrat running in that election.

Here's a point, I'm not for either side. I wil go for what party has the best people at the time. I do not stick with any party regardless of who they have running, that's too shallow for me.

And where have I used a term "democrats do this." I haven't. You are the one applying what I'm saying as if I'm talking about all of the party. As a matter of fact, given what you said, wouldn't it make sense for me to continue not liking someone that I haven't liked for the last 15 years? I mean... I'm talking an individual here, not a party. The party talk is coming from you.

you're kind of mixing apples and oranges and the timeline is wrong.

The only way this conversation can exist in any form to deal with reality is to remove the thought or stance as to the party you hang on to. Look from the outside in without parties and it makes much more sense.

Dude... don't lecture me on routing for a party. It's not even remotely about that. Hillary is an idiot, but you seem to think I'm talking about all Democrats when I say that. Hell... you probably think that not liking John Kerry means the same as not liking Democrats in general.

What the reps did to Clinton was a campaign strategy. they exploited it every single chance they got, all the while the guys leading the train were themselves caught cheeting on their wives, lets not forget that part of hypocrocy.

You're still sticking to the monica lewinski event as if this were the end all be all? You are the one that is now dillusional. Day in, day out. Not events. The republicans did not plant the sperm on monica's dress. They did not save the dress. They did not take it to the press. The whole thing was blown up by the media. The republicans took an opportunity to slap bill when they could.

I think they all do it, but to single Blillary out is clearly a republican stance because she is smart enough to harm that party. The only people offended by what she says are mostly reps. I think that's pretty clear to see.

You can believe what ever it is you believe and so can I and life goes on. Convincing me of something I see clearly for myself is not an easy task.

Offended by what she says? Are you serious? Let me ask you a question:

Do you think the situation in NK happened because GWB was elected?

Do you think that the U.S. should not be including China, Russia, Japan and SK in talks on dealing with NK?

Tell me how I should be offended by her view? I used the term Irony... it still applies. Tell me how I'm wrong instead of wasting time just blindly defending hilllary.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
Oh and BTW,...

The republicans totally and undeniably abused the media cameras when they went after Clinton for a blow-job, and used it repeatedly every single day to insure they ruined him.

But I'm sure that's perfectly fine

;-)

Lets not mention he (clinton) lied to a grand jury (felony) and lost the right to practice law in Arkansas because of his lies.