Vietnam marks 30th anniversary of war's end

[lazs2]

thanks mr bill..

I think all of you here who have never heard or read anything but the liberal propoganda should read the above and a very good and accurate book on a seldom covered part of the war..

the part where we and the South won and the subsequent betrayal by the U.S. or, by the people of the U.S. who are now telling us what happened.

The book is " A Better War" by Sorley  

and gixer... sorry about your cousin but... the domino effect was indeed happening... the vietnam thing slowed it for ten years and helped with the eventual bankruptcy of the soviet union and the real end to the domino effect.

lazs

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Gixer
No,but the "Domino Effect" is going to happen any day now.  

Must be quite disgruntling for some  to see how well Vietnam has done on it's own after decades of war.


...-Gixer

No problem now....Reagan went straight to the first domino and tipped it over.

Vietnam is doing slightly better than Cuba...two chickens per year.

[parker00]

Originally posted by NUKE
MrBill, that was a good read.

 Maybe people like Gixer, who seem to think the Chinese and Veitnamese people are not under oppression, will read this and begin to have some realistic idea about what these people's lives must be like.

Doubt they will ever understand, it will always be US propaganda to them.



68Parker

[Torque]

neither democracy or communism served the vietnam people well.

[Hangtime]

Thank you, Mr.Bill.

[lazs2]

torque... under democratic rule 420,000 acres were given back to private ownership by thousands of vietnam citizens..  local police forces made life more safe for hamlets than they had ever been in anyones lifetimes.

lazs

[Gixer]

Originally posted by NUKE
MrBill, that was a good read.

 Maybe people like Gixer, who seem to think the Chinese and Veitnamese people are not under oppression, will read this and begin to have some realistic idea about what these people's lives must be like.

You seem obsessed with this conception that if your not living in the US or under democracy you must be opressed and from someone who hasn't been to China or probably knows anything more about Vietnam or China then what he sees and hears from Fox News and all it's balanced reporting.

Friend from Aussie is currently living in US and one of her comments was that she's amazed how little coverage the rest of the world gets there or peoples  understanding of other countries/races/history etc. Following this board at times I can see how easily she could come to that conclusion.


...-Gixer

[MrCoffee]

Originally posted by Fishu

It has nothing to do with the government.
Besides "theyre" = chinese.

ah but the president of china recently met witht he japanese prime minister to talk about this matter. The chinese president was seeking a public formal appology to settle the protests.

It is some kind of cultural things for the chinese to remember things for a long time, just to bring it up even several generations later.

and they should and they should put it in their textbooks along with maos strategy for communist revolution. I can even understand some of the protest but what about all of the political prisoners or people who disappeared because of their political beliefs by mao and gang? sure things seem to be changing for the better now.

They are VERY patient with things like that.
Thats why they've been so patient with Taiwan and not simply rushed there to make sure it stays as a part of China.
Even if Taiwan would formally declare independency, it wouldn't necessarily mean China would attack, even though they've threatened to. It could go for years before something would be done.

taiwan may share its historical heritage  with mainland china but taiwan is now its own country with its own political disposition. the us an its allies would never allow that to happen since taiwan is its ally in the region and hence leverage in that regions politics.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Gixer
You seem obsessed with this conception that if your not living in the US or under democracy you must be opressed and from someone who hasn't been to China or probably knows anything more about Vietnam or China then what he sees and hears from Fox News and all it's balanced reporting.

Friend from Aussie is currently living in US and one of her comments was that she's amazed how little coverage the rest of the world gets there or peoples  understanding of other countries/races/history etc. Following this board at times I can see how easily she could come to that conclusion.


...-Gixer

Actually, I don't feel that anyone not living in the US or under democracy is oppressed. Funny, you seem to believe that people in the US do not have access to accurate information about the outside world.

I'd think it fair to say that people in the US have just as much or more access to information as any other nation does. And it's pretty funny to me that you act snobbish......as if you have some moral higher ground. You assume that I get my news from Fox news?

If you want to pretend that the governments in China and Vietnam do not oppress the people, then that's your right.

[john9001]

i get all my news from al jerzza, i think they are fair and balanced.

[meddog]

Gixer I was mentioning the losses of WWII because you seem to have some animosity over the loss of your cousin towards the US for trying to defend South Vietnam.  I also get ticked off at all the weak stomached people who want the US to pull out of Iraq every time there is a US casualty or like Kerry who guages whether or not its worth defending some place depenant  on the body counts.  Some times defending freedom comes cheap and other times it's very expensive and let me give you another qoute from American History which I beleive came from Thomas Paine "Give me liberty or give me death". You have to remember Gixer that the Vietnam war started in 1952-1953 as the french-indonesian war during the same time period that the US and it's allies were trying to defend South Korea from communist North Korea and China and before that every country under the control of USSR became communist so The US and thier allies felt that Communism was spreading (the domino theory) and it had to be stopped. Oh and another thing West Germany would have never used force to re-unify with East Germany but it would have happened the other way had it not beenn for the the US forces in Western Germany.

[Toad]

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by meddog
Gixer I was mentioning the losses of WWII because you seem to have some animosity over the loss of your cousin towards the US for trying to defend South Vietnam.  I also get ticked off at all the weak stomached people who want the US to pull out of Iraq every time there is a US casualty or like Kerry who guages whether or not its worth defending some place depenant  on the body counts.  Some times defending freedom comes cheap and other times it's very expensive.

I think you've miss understood compeltely why I posted about my cousin in the first place but so be it. As for defending liberty, just remember that while your saluting the flag and calling to send more troops that's someones son/father that's just been killed. So the heaviest expense is always burdened by a few even more so if they believe the loss was in vain.


...-Gixer


 ''Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

-Herman Goring

[meddog]

I find it interesting and unsettling that you used a quote from a murding Nazi that i'm assuming you're trying to use to justify your position.

[Masherbrum]

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