Author Topic: Northern empire-theoretical discuss (Read 3278 times)

Overlag · « **Reply #150 on:** May 09, 2005, 08:25:25 PM »

lol pongo

agent 009 · « **Reply #151 on:** May 09, 2005, 09:01:44 PM »

Let's see 15 battleships, 30 cruisers 130 destroyers. Quite an armada. Dy'a suppose they had a teleportation device? to get all their ships from Gibralter, Alexandria, Iceland, Scapa flow SE asia & the Atlantic bases all in the channel on invasion day. Amazing ! how they could do that. Al, of em in fighting trim on the same day. Wow!

painfully obvious you haven't the foggiest notion of how naval warfare maneuvers work.

& no I didn't say anywhere 1 Ju for each base. where do you get these weird ideas that I never said? If you had read, you'd see I pointed out other types of planes could be used. They fly low under radar like every nation did from time to time during war. As well commandos would conduct raids on radar sites. Obvious you have no concept of para warfare either.

Perhaps you didn't know the germans had other planes besides the JU 52 to fly during the war. When your mommy & daddy come home tonite you can tell em you learned that today.

Give it a few yrs, do some reading & then perhaps you'll be ready to discuss military operations such as these. & that's a "big" maybe.

Good to hear you enjoyed expressing your retardation.

Pongo · « **Reply #152 on:** May 09, 2005, 09:27:14 PM »

"Right then, for starters a commando raid would have required about 10- 15 men per each airfield. therefore the numbers of planes required for this type of mission is very few. not at all like the Bridge too far missions. Which means that comparison is irrelevant. The number of JU's involved discounts the "losses in great numbers" theory. The fact that none of my detratcors thought of that demonstrates that they have absolutey no concept whatsoever of how such raids would be conducted. "

did you write that? You insult us because we lack your stratigic vision then insult us becuase we remember what you wrote a page ago even if you dont..
A Ju 52 stick is 13 men son. Thats one plane per base to accomplish your grand plan. I know you wont respond to this.

"Let's see 15 battleships, 30 cruisers 130 destroyers."
The germans at the time had no battleships one cruiser and 6 destroyers.

If the British ignored the build up of 100 + german LSTs long enough so that they couldnt recall the empire forces just think what the Home fleet could do...

You have only accepted the neccessity of invading the low countries because I and others forced you to do so.

I think the most telling indicator of how little you know of war and ww2s outcome in particular is your fascination with single weapons.

Germans had no landing craft? They could have made the mk III zig zagging, torpedo dodging super LST! case closed. NOTHING CAN STAND AGAINST IT!
Germans loseing 60% of thier Ju52s in one mission? Dont be so narrow minded as to think they would use Ju52! easy they just put the JU 290 into series production in 1939 and fight thier way to the objective!

This idea that there is some wonder weapon that will defy the rules of attrition and logistics and operational planning is very in keeping with someone that really knows absolutly nothing of war.

agent 009 · « **Reply #153 on:** May 09, 2005, 09:37:34 PM »

A Ju 52 stick is 13 men son. Thats one plane per base to accomplish your grand plan. I know you wont respond to this.

And 2 or 3 smaller planes would carry a similiar amount of men, do you think man?

Airhead · « **Reply #154 on:** May 09, 2005, 10:04:40 PM »

Also don't forget the Brits had strict gun control among their civilian population, and their Army was never battle tested in WW2 until the day after D-Day.. It is very concevible smaller boats could have infiltrated the British coast, especially in the frequently foggy weather, and dropped of commandos to establish beachheads and destroy vital instillations.

Don't forget the German U-Boats owned the Channel.

Charon · « **Reply #155 on:** May 09, 2005, 10:05:11 PM »

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This idea that there is some wonder weapon that will defy the rules of attrition and logistics and operational planning is very in keeping with someone that really knows absolutly nothing of war.

I think it's very much a FPS kind of thing. All you need are three buds and a BFG to take the base. A UT capture the flag session or a counter strike mission. Maybe a C-47 full of goons at A4...

Charon

Pongo · « **Reply #156 on:** May 09, 2005, 10:23:54 PM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
A Ju 52 stick is 13 men son. Thats one plane per base to accomplish your grand plan. I know you wont respond to this.

And 2 or 3 smaller planes would carry a similiar amount of men, do you think man?

LOL
the signifigant thing is that you think takeing or impacting a fully defended ww2 base with a squad of men is a valid tactic of some sort. Only the most stupid person would consider the relevent issue how many planes it takes to carry them.
Hell you can send em over in Storches if you like. We are back up to 7 planes per field now!

You should develop a video game where 10 guys can capture an air base. I bet it would be a big seller.

Pongo · « **Reply #157 on:** May 09, 2005, 10:30:40 PM »

And the palm sunday masacre was flown under radar. But as you approach the coast you are no longer "under radar"

And make sure your noe flying transports dont hit the zig zagging super LSTs in the Fog....

agent 009 · « **Reply #158 on:** May 09, 2005, 11:07:21 PM »

Who said anything about capture of an airfield. Disruption is the word. set fire to hangars, lob grenades at aircraft. Create havoc.

Pongo · « **Reply #159 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:17:56 AM »

What is that going to do? If the entire LW couldnt shut down the RAF or appreciably attrite them in the battle of britian what will some grenades do? All your doing is broadcasting your intentions even more.

The RAF had many hundreds of fighters deployed all over the county. In air bases manned for local defence and anti aircraft.

You seem to think that if the Brits could be made to look the wrong way for a few hours that they could be successfully invaded.

humble · « **Reply #160 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:14:39 PM »

The $64,000 question is ...

How are you going to get the 7 panzer divisions of Army Group A to England?

And how will you supply them For sustained combat operations?

Overlag · « **Reply #161 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:22:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Also don't forget the Brits had strict gun control among their civilian population, and their Army was never battle tested in WW2 until the day after D-Day.. It is very concevible smaller boats could have infiltrated the British coast, especially in the frequently foggy weather, and dropped of commandos to establish beachheads and destroy vital instillations.

Don't forget the German U-Boats owned the Channel.

rubbish. Army never battle tested??? We didnt run away from those germans. we held a LARGE area, long enough for us to escape, so we could defend our island. You saying these guys wasnt battle tested?

And the strict gun control with civilians??? maybe now in 2005 thats true, but im not sure about 1939... also Guns was given to select civilians for resistance operations just in case. Im pretty dam sure if those germans had ever stepped foot on UK beaches EVERY civilian would have had the chance to get a gun and fight.

Overlag · « **Reply #162 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:25:20 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
The $64,000 question is ...

How are you going to get the 7 panzer divisions of Army Group A to England?

And how will you supply them For sustained combat operations?

with my plans, i can get them there, but im 95% sure that within 2 days they will be cut off from all supplys, and within 3 they will have to surrender having run out of fuel and ammo....sure way to win a war that

Curval · « **Reply #163 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:37:24 PM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
war with Russia inevitable? perhaps over Baltic states, Hitlers political bent is well known. But the discussion is theoretical, it is a strategic discussion regarding feasability, not Hitlers political bent.

Heard of Liberstraum? (Living space?)

Hitler was obsessed with it and was drooling over Russia when he wrote Mein Kampf.

Curval · « **Reply #164 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:38:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
rubbish. Army never battle tested??? We didnt run away from those germans. we held a LARGE area, long enough for us to escape, so we could defend our island. You saying these guys wasnt battle tested?

And the strict gun control with civilians??? maybe now in 2005 thats true, but im not sure about 1939... also Guns was given to select civilians for resistance operations just in case. Im pretty dam sure if those germans had ever stepped foot on UK beaches EVERY civilian would have had the chance to get a gun and fight.

Don't feed the troll Overlag.