Time to unperk the Spit 14

[DaddyAck]

Hah! thats funny. The whole dropping bannas thing.
Like every one trys to bag the roaming 262's

(how do you differentiate one spit from a perked spit???)

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Roscoroo
it is over priced for what it is , perfomance wise .
 a la la or dora can run it down if your not carefull in it .

Also true of the 262. Or the Sr71 for that matter.

[Tilt]

Mid 44 ac I agree unperk it

[detch01]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Gun package is no different from the Spit 9 with 2x20mm and 2x50 cal.

Except that it's faster, climbs better and zooms better. Good guns + good airplane = very good airplane: good guns + very good airplane = potential greatness. Hence the perk.

[DaddyAck]

Quote by kev, in requards to a ta152h-1 Vs. spitXIV

Yup it would be, Spits best defence is to get the fight really fast and twisty, and wait for one of those spindly wings to snap.

Don't fly the 14 as much as I would like to, it's just not worth 40 (average) perks.

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I personally have more confidence in the desighns of Kurt Tank,
The whole Ta152 concept is the 190d-9 series reaching fruition as a high altitude airial wepons platform.

[pellik]

It seems like most of you guys complaining about how the spit14 is over-priced just don't know how to fly it. Like the tempest there are situations where this plane can just dominate, much beyond the level of planes like the la7. It's not as easy of a ride to learn as the tempest, granted, but it is still in a different league then other planes in the MA.

-p.

[Guppy35]

Kev's argument is still  why is the Spit XIV perked and the plane that was it's LW counterpart, the 190D9 a free ride.

Considering the XIV entered service before the D9, it doesn't make much sense .

But then again I'd say unperk em all.  I'm not gonna fly em anyway

Dan/CorkyJr

[SKJohn]

Originally posted by DaddyAck
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His TA-152H1 is when used properly in my opinion the finest high altitude fighter / bobmer intercepter on the war.  Of course this is if one rembers to burn the tanks in the propper order.

Would you please let us (fairly) new people to the game know what the "proper order" of burning the tanks is?
Thank you!

[pellik]

Originally posted by SKJohn
Would you please let us (fairly) new people to the game know what the "proper order" of burning the tanks is?
Thank you!

Empty the wings first or you can't roll, and they'll rip off at high G. That's the big part, other then that it's prefrence on where you like the weight to be in your plane.

-p.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Angus
I belive in AH the Spit XIV climbs somewhat slower than in RL (5 mins to 20K)
A 109G2 climbs about the same.
A Spit VIII or IX(+25) climb to 20K in 5 mins also, - being slower than the Mk XIV they are nimbler if anything.
The VIII also has twice the range.

So, if those were to arrive one day, they'd have to be perked too!

The XIV is darned good, and IMHO needs to be perked. But the price is really too high.

Climb data for the top aircraft is as follows. This is based upon 300 mph on deck (25 ft), engage WEP and auto-climb. Time to 10k is recorded in minutes:seconds. Fuel at 75%, except P-38J and Ki-84, which were at 50% (comparable endurance). Zero fuel burn, except P-38L take off at 50%, fuel burn 2.0

109G-10: 1:46.18 (without gondolas, add 9 seconds if used)
Spit XIV: 1:47.13
109G-2: 1:54.06 (without gondolas, add 10 seconds if used)
F4U-4: 1:55.67
P-38L: 1:55.78 (about 35-40% fuel)
P-38J: 2:03.55
Ki-84: 2:04.09
190D-9: 2:04.35
Tempest: 2:05.38
La-7: 2:06.91
Yak-9U: 2:13.94

For maximum speed, it depends on altitude. For example, here's some actual game data for several fighters at their best altitudes.

F4U-4: 446 mph at 25,000 feet, 445 mpg at 28.5k, 439 mph at 20k.
Spit XIV: 444 mph at 28,500 feet, 441 mph at 25k, 420 mph at 20k.
109G-10:444 mph at 20,000 feet, 443 mph at 25k, 436 mph at 28.5k.
P-51D: 441 mph at 25,000 feet, 433 mph at 28.5k, 425 mph at 20k.
190D-9: 426 mph at 20,000 feet, 421 mph at 25k, 410 mph at 28.5k.
P-38J: 419 mph at 25,000 ft, 412 mph at 28.5k, 405 mph at 20k.

As to the Spitfire XIV, it is not a low altitude fighter. However, from about 10k on up, it is a very strong fighter. It can manage about 355 mph on the deck.

My regards,

Widewing

[moot]

after they unperk the 152, esp. considering its attitude in AH2 vs in AH1.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by ghi
Spit14  is  too expensive perked,  Should be 50% or less of the price of temp,
 same with f4u4- sold same price with temp, but all over less advatages

Here's another guy who apparently hasn't flown the AH2 F4U-4...

Brother, if was the F4U-4B (four Hispanos), it would carry a 100 perk price. Yeah, the Tempest is a bit faster on the deck, and below 5k the Tempest accelerates a tad better too. Nonetheless, the F4U-4 easily out-climbs the Tempest, out rolls and out-turns it. The higher you go, the greater the difference. For example, at sea level the Tempest accelerates from 200 mph to 300 mph 2.4 seconds faster than the F4U-4. At 5k, the Tempest wins by 1.1 seconds. At 10k, the F4U-4 wins by 3 seconds. At 20k, the F4U-4 wins by 11 seconds.

If we swapped the gun packages, give 6 fifties to the Tempest, it would be a hanger queen. It's the combination of speed and guns that makes the Tempest so dangerous. However, 1 v 1, equal pilots... the Tempest is in deep bandini against the F4U-4.

Go to the TA and spend some time in the F4U-4. Then find someone to fly the Tempest and have a few fights. You will be surprised.

My regards,

Widewing

[pellik]

Originally posted by Widewing
Here's another guy who apparently hasn't flown the AH2 F4U-4...

Brother, if was the F4U-4B (four Hispanos), it would carry a 100 perk price. Yeah, the Tempest is a bit faster on the deck, and below 5k the Tempest accelerates a tad better too. Nonetheless, the F4U-4 easily out-climbs the Tempest, out rolls and out-turns it. The higher you go, the greater the difference. For example, at sea level the Tempest accelerates from 200 mph to 300 mph 2.4 seconds faster than the F4U-4. At 5k, the Tempest wins by 1.1 seconds. At 10k, the F4U-4 wins by 3 seconds. At 20k, the F4U-4 wins by 11 seconds.

If we swapped the gun packages, give 6 fifties to the Tempest, it would be a hanger queen. It's the combination of speed and guns that makes the Tempest so dangerous. However, 1 v 1, equal pilots... the Tempest is in deep bandini against the F4U-4.

Go to the TA and spend some time in the F4U-4. Then find someone to fly the Tempest and have a few fights. You will be surprised.

My regards,

Widewing

At speeds above 300mph IAS it feels like the tempest has a much better instentanious turn then the 4-hog. It's not only faster and more deadly on the snapshot, it's more capable of getting the high speed snapshot.

I don't mean to be knockin the 4-hog tho. With the hog flaps and roll a little extra engine power makes this the best lag roll reverser there is.

-p.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Kev's argument is still  why is the Spit XIV perked and the plane that was it's LW counterpart, the 190D9 a free ride.

Considering the XIV entered service before the D9, it doesn't make much sense .

But then again I'd say unperk em all.  I'm not gonna fly em anyway

Dan/CorkyJr

Exactly Dan, and nobody ever will be able to come up with a viable reason.

[Halo]

Psssst ... hey buddy ... c'mere ... yeah, over here by the hangar ... (glances furtively left and right) ... now, lissen carefully ... here's whatcha do ...

UNPERK EVERYTHING ... except Me262s ... and reduce their cost to 50 points instead of 200 ... thas right (giggling) ... no kiddin' ... lots more fun and lots less math!

Oh ... and don' forget external views for everythin too ... right, with firing disabled in external views so you can just have godlike view but not godlike destruction (as if ya could hit everythin anyway in or out of the cockpit) ...

Why dya think some are defectin to IL-2?  Thas right ... purtier externals, more involvement, more scope ... yer choice, in or outa the cockpit ...

Me?  nah, don' fly much anymore ... kinda bored after all these years ... but AH wunnerful game ... deserves ta live forever, wit or witout perks n' externals ....