Author Topic: Time to unperk the Spit 14 (Read 4790 times)

Widewing · « **Reply #60 on:** May 02, 2005, 11:46:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
The La-7 climbs faster than the F4U-4 too. Granted, it becomes different over 10k.

Listen, ya gotta quit thinking AH1..

As I posted before, actual climb test data:

109G-10: 1:46.18 (without gondolas, add 9 seconds if used)
Spit XIV: 1:47.13
109G-2: 1:54.06 (without gondolas, add 10 seconds if used)
F4U-4: 1:55.67
P-38L: 1:55.78 (about 35-40% fuel)
P-38J: 2:03.55
Ki-84: 2:04.09
190D-9: 2:04.35
Tempest: 2:05.38
La-7: 2:06.91
Yak-9U: 2:13.94

Notice that the La-7 is far behind. It falls behind immediately.

Acceleration on the deck: 200 mph to 300 mph.

1) Tempest 26.16 seconds
2) F4U-4 28.57
3) SpitXIV 28.72
4) La-7 28.78
5) 109G-10 28.97
6) 190D-9 30.83
7) Ki-84 35.96
8) P-38J 36.57
9) Yak 9-U 37.40

4 tenths of a second covers 3 thru 5.

My regards,

Widewing

Edbert1 · « **Reply #61 on:** May 03, 2005, 02:30:36 PM »

Perk everything made after 1943, but the highest perk rating of them all belongs to my wife, she's deadly during a MA furball!

g00b · « **Reply #62 on:** May 03, 2005, 02:35:42 PM »

Kweassa,
Your best air-air k/d last tour was in the 4-hog. Are you just playing devil's advocate or what?

g00b

pellik · « **Reply #63 on:** May 03, 2005, 04:10:13 PM »

It's not spectacular performance in a single category that makes a plane a monster, but rather it's performance accross the board. The la7 for example has a great engine, but ultimately it's turn performance is quite limited. Even for the good sticks it still has problems getting inside of turns. The great la7 pilots know how to minimize this weakness through manipulating E states, granted, but that's quite different from planes like the f4u-4 that have no such weaknesses. The closest thing to a weakness you could note about the super-hog is that it doesn't knife fight quite as well as a hurricane, but that's just not necessary. Too me it sounds like all you guys are saying is that because it's not 2x faster then an la7, it can't be any good. Maybe it's time you diversify your flying techniques.

-p.

Kweassa · « **Reply #64 on:** May 03, 2005, 05:22:54 PM »

g00b, that's because I was flying with 20k alt and using my teammates as bait, and then running straight away when things seem to go bad.

Besides, I'm not sure I flew even 10 hours last tour.

[edit] btw, I flew like that, because it was so DAMNED expensive

Kev367th · « **Reply #65 on:** May 03, 2005, 07:08:32 PM »

Can't even justify a Spit 14 that is on average 5 perks cheaper than a Tempest.
I'm all for your revised perk system Kweassa, never happen though, which is a shame.
Can't have people paying for Pony's, Lalas, D9, the world will end.

Kweassa · « **Reply #66 on:** May 03, 2005, 08:15:36 PM »

Right Kev.

That's why we should unperk the F4U-4s and Tempests.

People obviously had no problems with P-51Ds or Lalas or Fw190D-9s 'dominating' the arena over all other '43 plane sets.

So why should there be any problem when F4U-4s or Tempests or Spit14s 'dominating' over Lalas and Fw190D-9s and P-51Ds anyway?

The gameplay is essentially the same!

A handful of superplanes dominated arena usage over all other early mid-war planes. So, no reason a handful of supersuper planes should not dominate the arena usage over the normalsuper planes, right?

Man, am I a genius or what?

Overlag · « **Reply #67 on:** May 03, 2005, 08:32:46 PM »

id say the oposite....perk EVERYTHING from 44ish onwards.....

Kev367th · « **Reply #68 on:** May 03, 2005, 10:21:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Right Kev.

That's why we should unperk the F4U-4s and Tempests.

People obviously had no problems with P-51Ds or Lalas or Fw190D-9s 'dominating' the arena over all other '43 plane sets.

So why should there be any problem when F4U-4s or Tempests or Spit14s 'dominating' over Lalas and Fw190D-9s and P-51Ds anyway?

The gameplay is essentially the same!

A handful of superplanes dominated arena usage over all other early mid-war planes. So, no reason a handful of supersuper planes should not dominate the arena usage over the normalsuper planes, right?

Man, am I a genius or what?

Lol, yup you are.
Well you cant have a non US plane dominating the arena can you?

In all seriousness - If the 'C' Hog was perked because it got 'overused', wheres that logic get you when every other plane in the MA is almost exclusively a Pony, Lala or D9?
That not come under 'overusage' I guess.

I wonder if HT monitors plane usage?

bozon · « **Reply #69 on:** May 04, 2005, 03:08:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
D9 was operational after the Spit XIV. P38L went operational after the Spit XIV for that matter. They were still flying early Js when the XIV got to the squadrons in early 44. Spit XIV was operational before the first 51Ds got to the squadrons. They didn't arrive until just prior to D-Day.

D9 didn't get there until October 44.

Don't think the mid-44 and after are perked idea works

Dan/CorkyJr

hehe, I was being sarcastic Guppy.
The RAF is the most screwed up airforce in AH. All free planes are 1943 or worse and free models are not the best of their kind (save spit 5). We have probably the worst spit9 possible (main RAF fighter) which pull back the main RAF non-perked force to early 43 / late 42 (the tiffie fans will have to excuse me, it's not a major fighter, nor was it famous for its A2A ability).

Even the mossie has the night dumpeners that take off 5-10mph of his speed which is lacking anyway in a 1945 areana (and there is no effective night anyway so it doesn't help).

The two RAF late war fighters are heavily perked. This leaves the free RAF to be from the time of the 190A5, 109G2, P40E P47D11 and P38G.

Bozon

Angus · « **Reply #70 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:05:02 AM »

Getting back to the point, the XIV is perked too high.
Imagine we had a Mk IX or VIII running on 25 boost.
They are nimbler, climb equally, same firepower, the Mk VIII has twice the range, speed is lower, but that's it. They vastly outperform the Mk IX we have at the lower alt bands. So, if those were to arrive, would you perk them too????
1943 aircraft......

So, in that relation the XIV is well overperked.

Kev367th · « **Reply #71 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:19:23 PM »

Actually shouldn't the Mk VIII be faster than the IX. It came after the IX which was only supposed to be stop gap till the VIII arrived.

But yup can probably guess it would be perked, RAF gets no late war stuff unperked it seems. Too much competition I guess, gotta leave it to the Lalas, Pony and D9.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #72 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:27:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Actually shouldn't the Mk VIII be faster than the IX. It came after the IX which was only supposed to be stop gap till the VIII arrived.

But yup can probably guess it would be perked, RAF gets no late war stuff unperked it seems. Too much competition I guess, gotta leave it to the Lalas, Pony and D9.

VIII was a bit heavier with the retractable tail wheel and more fuel tankage, but speeds were essentially the same.

The IX, despite being a 'stop gap' obviously was produced in far greater numbers then the VIII and included lots of refinements as it went along.

Clipped wing LFIXe and a regular span wing LFVIII would be the way to go. Good for the MA and covers about all the scenario fronts considering the VIII's use in the Pac, CBI and MTO.

Dan/CorkyJr

Kev367th · « **Reply #73 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:32:37 PM »

Just have to wait and see what happens if they eventually get round to remodelling the Spits.
My guess is no new models, no change in perks, RAF still given short end of stick.

DaddyAck · « **Reply #74 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:35:34 PM »

Eh, no problem with me the way it is now, I rather like German Hardware:cool: