Author Topic: J-10 fighter (Read 3146 times)

Charon · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2005, 02:01:59 PM »

Nice to see the Lavi, with all its US-developed technology, flying for PRC. We might as well sell China the technology ourselves instead of letting Israel get all of the profits. Perhaps we should start selling Syria the JSF, since our security needs apparently aren't a concern to our best buddy in the ME. Why should we care in return? [edit: Pakistan too, apparently]

There's the radar and missile technology sold to China too, but why pile on.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=357

Charon

1K3 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2005, 08:55:20 PM »

lol USA is doomed as an airpower if Chinese mass produce this Mattel-looking aircraft!

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2005, 09:34:49 PM »

Pfft, we sell all our 20 year old crap, most the f-15 f-16 and f-14's are all 20+ year old air frames.

and the systems altho great for the day, are crap now.
and we have the jaming tech to criple a fleet of them into fast moveing target drones "piloted by the enemy of course" and whats best, is this time we didnt have to waste the time and effort to scrap them, simple.

Sell all your old junk, watch as it used to "try" and attack you back,then blow it away with your new toys, AND get payed for selling your old junk anyhow.

The JSF is a joke, its to please the UN,nothing more.
After all,we have UFo's. (sshhhh dont tell the other guys)

Funny thing is, every "stealth" fighter has been useless from about 2002-3 the us had made some great feets in visual tracking and seeking type weapons, soon we wont even need jets, just have a drone fire a missle that wait's in a area for some 15 mins,then activate's and seeks out shapes of aircrafts,bridges and buildings. Best thing is with infa red and such types, they can even be used in 100% blackout conditions or fog and the such.

Soon our enemy will get a missle up there tail from aparently no where. Another idea is for under water based long range missles, and torps. imagine a radar station or satalite sees a squad of jets flying low and fast twards a fleet,maby they have stealth, and such. now some 50+ miles away "or closer" a missle comes blasting out of the water perprogramed via satalite link to its target, now its got a mind of its own, and is already on the way, even if it fails, theres always more systems waiting.

Why do you think the us stoped makeing b2's and f22's? not because they sucked, but by the time the product came around,other ways of downing even a stealth craft becomes clear, cant see it on radar? use visual range, cant see because of darkness or fog/whatever. use infared, then visual to select a shape of the jet thru the infared screening from range.
in the 60's the us had a missle that could fly at pre programed target areas,and drop ordinance, it was to "early" for its days,but again. with time it will become a very nice tool to have.

Basicly let them pump out as many fighters as they want, we will knock em down just as quick.

1K3 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2005, 09:39:51 PM »

lol!!!:lol

Fongman's picture is nothing compared to this...

Charon · « **Reply #5 on:** May 03, 2005, 10:26:39 PM »

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lol USA is doomed as an airpower if Chinese mass produce this Mattel-looking aircraft!

It’s not about WWIII with China (as in 1980s cold war Fulda Gap survival of democracy stuff). That's what the Nukes are for. PRC just has to be able to overwhelm (even in the face of huge losses) the Taiwanese and whatever carrier battle group we may or may not have in the area at the time. Cause enough trouble, quickly enough, to make the invasion a done deal. Or, establish enough local/regional parity to weaken our leverage diplomatically.

We may not even help Taiwan directly in the first place (lot of corporate money at work in that market) - TS Taiwan. And if we do come to its aid, these planes, along with Russian purchased aircraft, will kill more Americans and cause far more trouble than the aging fleet of clear weather Mig-21s and Modified Mig-19s. It is designed to have "4th generation capabilities" and be a match for our force today and for quite some time to come (F-16C-D/F-15C-E/F-18E). There will also be 1,000 produced.

F-22s are nice (what do we have, about a squadron?) hopefully they will have a non-cratered runway to operate from somewhere near Taiwan if needed instead of making 1-2 sorties per day from Japan. Of course, the J-10 was cited by the AF and the Navy as a reason to push JSF and F-22, so maybe we're not all that sad in some circles China has these systems

I can’t really blame the Russians for making the sales, or even Europe too much if they go that route, but it’s a ***** to see my tax dollars indirectly at work making PRC stronger.

Charon

hogenbor · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:56:35 AM »

Politics excluded, is that really the Lavi that was dropped by the Israelis but will now be built for the Chinese?

What the h*ll is the background story there? This is new for me!

Cobra412 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2005, 02:53:18 AM »

Badkarma please show me where they've stopped making F/A-22s? Your statement is totally ignorant has absolutely no truth to it. Neither does your statement about 20 year old crappy airframes. The F-15s, F-16s and F-14s aren't going anywhere soon. They will still fill in the gaps with the new airframes coming online and they are far from being useless or uncompetitive.

The systems on these airframes are being upgraded constantly. The F-15C is due to stay in service till around 2025. The F-15Es will be around even longer than that. Same goes for those "crappy" F-16s.

Please get your facts straight before you make statements on a subject that you know little to nothing about.

33Vortex · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2005, 03:38:11 AM »

On that first picture there are 2 trays on wheels below the aircraft along the centerline, are those to catch leaking hydraulic fluid or maybe oil?

Angus · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2005, 09:47:13 AM »

I've seen an F15 with trays under it.
And the F18 is told to be much worse...

Anyway, does anyone have the performance specs for this bird?

GScholz · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:56:33 AM »

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Originally posted by hogenbor
Politics excluded, is that really the Lavi that was dropped by the Israelis but will now be built for the Chinese?

What the h*ll is the background story there? This is new for me!

It's not like they're trying to hide the fact.

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp

Grendel · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2005, 11:56:02 AM »

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Originally posted by hogenbor
Politics excluded, is that really the Lavi that was dropped by the Israelis but will now be built for the Chinese?

What the h*ll is the background story there? This is new for me!

Nah, that's just what the jealous China-haters tend to claim

It is a Chinese designed fighter, with international technology from several manufacturers - like practically any fighter design of these days.

bob149 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:05:09 PM »

Yo vortex bloke
If u ever got to Duxford museum you will notice most aircraft exhibits have a drip tray or trays under them , that includes the world war one stuff!!!!and no ....they aint all flyers
Moral is .......planes leak

bob149 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:08:03 PM »

beisdes the thing dont look like the lavi......yes i grant u same sort of shape...but j10 wings much smaller , j10's intake is not like a lavi ....... this is a bit like concorde and the concordski....

GScholz · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:39:41 PM »

Let's see ... They took the nose of a MiG-29, the engine of an Su-27, the tail of an F-16, and the wings of a Mirage and cobbled it all together. It's like Lego!