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bob149 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 06, 2005, 09:53:37 AM »

Joker
Keep living with them blinders
Figures dont prove a thing , besides im sure u missed the bad ones so as to prove yr point ....
Every country has it's good points and it's bad one's

Angus · « **Reply #46 on:** May 06, 2005, 12:25:47 PM »

What's that US vs Germany/Norway stat game?
Ok, US is no.1 in the pollution scale, no. 1 of all western countries in executions, and of all western nations has the highest amounts of inhabitants in jail

And the fattest ones too

Joker312 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:00:02 PM »

bob149 and Angus,

So far GS and I were having an intellegent exchange of ideas without throwing trash at one another. You are correct that the US has many areas that have a need of vast improvement. Angus, I would have chosen the example of US Foreign Aid, which is heavily weighted in favor of arms instead of humanitarian aid instead. Numbers for executions are published for those that are KNOWN. I am sure that many nations are not as upfront about it as is the US. The genocide going on in some African countries costs 100's of thousands of lives annually but are not included in the statistics. Prision populations is likewise suspect due to non-reporting in many countries. And to pick on overweight persons is well.......immature.

Bob149..... I donot have blinders on. Accurate facts and figures give a picture of the level of development of a nation. To make my point I did select random items that support my claim. To make your statement to disregard my evidence without any supporting evidence of your own is not a valid argument. Its just a lazy attempt to be disruptive and argumentative.

And I have already said that most of the civilized nations have good and bad, although that should be understood without explanation.

Now fellas, replys like that only reinforce my belief that the US is indeed the best place on the planet to live. And as we all know, everyone is welcome to have an opinion, unless ofcourse you are a women in Oman.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #48 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:14:20 PM »

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BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:51:53 PM »

Peolple dont have to worry about the chance to end up homeless.

and the coffeeshops are legal.

so u dont have to worry about endup in a jail with 10 other guys.

i bet i feel more free here than in the USA

Joker312 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 06, 2005, 02:10:53 PM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Peolple dont have to worry about the chance to end up homeless.

and the coffeeshops are legal.

so u dont have to worry about endup in a jail with 10 other guys.

i bet i feel more free here than in the USA

Lets see, Bug thinks there arent any needy people nor any prisoners in the Netherlands.......

And he has "coffeeshops" to pass the day away.....

This equates to "more freedom".

Smoke another bong, pop another pill, maybe mainline some H....
then take a nap and return when you have something better to add.

If your gonna step up to the posting plate please bring a bat.

(the use of baseball terms that the less fortunate cannot comprehend was intentional)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #51 on:** May 06, 2005, 02:56:55 PM »

Joker,

The last I heard the Patriot Missle System was being investigated for shooting down a British Tornado and a Navy F-18. Neither one of those birds is very stealthy on Radar and frankly in the scheme of radar signatures I don't think mistaking a warhead in the atmosphere re-entry and a fighter aircraft is acceptable. In fact I would from what I have heard and read I chalk it up to a classic military contrator "Fix it in the field" or "good enough for government work" type system. Not to far from the original M-16 Jams, Bradley Fighting Vehicle burning poisonous fumes etc.

As far as Israeli's and their weapons systems, you have to understand in 1972 the European nations under pressure from OPEC completely turned there backs on Israel (Especially the French) despite the fact that they were at that time Israel's #1 supplier of Arms (Centurian Tanks, Mirage Fighters Etc). They not only cut off 100% of arms they would not supply any aid or let the US use it's bases or airspace to supply them even when it looked as if they might be over run. French PM Charles DeGaulle (sp) told the Israeli PM "Nations have no Allies, Only interest".

Based on that history and the fact that the US is only one election away from a President Pat Buchanon or Ralph Nadar the Israeli's do what they have to do, they hedge their bet.

Don't think that could happen here? So did a lot of people in 1930 in Europe.

This is of course my opinion only. Kind of like being a 150LBS white guy in the State Pen. You look for the big guy who wants to f-u the least to be your friend.

Joker312 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 06, 2005, 03:20:12 PM »

F4UDOA, the shootdown of those aircraft was not a fault of the Patriot missle system as I remember it. I believe one of those was a due to the transponder being damaged or not turned on. The system was on auto and engaged. It performed as advertised and killed the unidentifed jet. Think that was the Tornado. The other was the battery operators fault. Fratricide will always be a danger on the battlefield. I would have to check the specifics of those to be sure though.

I can understand the political tightrope that the Isreali's have to walk inorder to protect themselves while surrounded by enemies. I do not have to like it when they bite the hand, that has in the past and will continue for the foreseeable future, enable them to remain soverign.

We armed them when all others wouldnt, we brokered peace agreements for them to relieve some pressure, and we have stood by them when the entire world turned its back. Selling anything that we transfered to them, to an enemy of the US is a slap in the face.

SkyWolf · « **Reply #53 on:** May 06, 2005, 03:45:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Joker312
Remember when Israel sold the russians the computer tech to enable them to make quiet screws for nuc subs?

This is patently untrue. Pull down your skirt, your anti Semitism is showing.

Woof

mora · « **Reply #54 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:08:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Joker312
Smoke another bong, pop another pill, maybe mainline some H.

LOL

I'm sure you aware that The Netherlands has drastically lower levels of drug abuse, especially conserning Heroin and likes?

Don't make a fool out of yourself.

Angus · « **Reply #55 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:21:43 PM »

From Joker 312:
"So far GS and I were having an intellegent exchange of ideas without throwing trash at one another. You are correct that the US has many areas that have a need of vast improvement. Angus, I would have chosen the example of US Foreign Aid, which is heavily weighted in favor of arms instead of humanitarian aid instead. Numbers for executions are published for those that are KNOWN. I am sure that many nations are not as upfront about it as is the US. The genocide going on in some African countries costs 100's of thousands of lives annually but are not included in the statistics. Prision populations is likewise suspect due to non-reporting in many countries. And to pick on overweight persons is well.......immature. "

Hope I am not intruding then, - the whole affair seemed to be getting into silly directions anyway, so I was temped, and put some oil on the fire

Anyway, my comparison was of the western world only, - Europe and the USA. Not Africa. And the statistics in W-Europe and the USA are quite open.
And BTW, the Genocide in some African states count MILLIONS.

And the overweight, - hehe, couldn't resist

straffo · « **Reply #56 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:39:57 PM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA

As far as Israeli's and their weapons systems, you have to understand in 1972 the European nations under pressure from OPEC completely turned there backs on Israel (Especially the French) despite the fact that they were at that time Israel's #1 supplier of Arms (Centurian Tanks, Mirage Fighters Etc). They not only cut off 100% of arms they would not supply any aid or let the US use it's bases or airspace to supply them even when it looked as if they might be over run. French PM Charles DeGaulle (sp) told the Israeli PM "Nations have no Allies, Only interest".

There is some errors in your post :
Centurian where not french but british
de Gaulle was not PM but president.
Lastly the original citation is from Palemertson not de Gaulle.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #57 on:** May 06, 2005, 08:20:09 PM »

KaBAM!!!

Joker312 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 06, 2005, 08:41:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyWolf
This is patently untrue. Pull down your skirt, your anti Semitism is showing.

Woof

Oh my..now the anti semitism card is in play....

Well we have had enough of our fun. An insecure jew has reared his ugly head.

You have no right to accuse me of anti anything. I have already been corrected on that sub thing. I was mistaken.

But why tell me to pull down my skirt? I am neither a woman or a Scot. You wouldnt be queer would you?

Or maybe you have some phobia we are unaware of.

Why is it when anyone questions the motives of Isreal its anti-semitism?

I would love to meet you someday Wolf, you would see how wrong you are. In person you would see I treat everyone with the respect they deserve.

Joker312 · « **Reply #59 on:** May 06, 2005, 08:43:44 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
There is some errors in your post :
Centurian where not french but british
de Gaulle was not PM but president.
Lastly the original citation is from Palemertson not de Gaulle.

Staffo.... the Centurian tank was a British design. Unless your talking about the Centurian of biblical times... that was Roman.

I didnt read the post correctly Staffo, my apologies. You were correct:)