Author Topic: Fighter Arena? (Read 4733 times)

jodgi · « **Reply #90 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:22:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Schaden
Sarcasm (whilst funny) is often referred to as the lowest form of wit.

I hold it in high regard.

jodgi · « **Reply #91 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:29:53 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
C.202 has 2 12.7mm and 2 7.7mm, I don't think that would compare to 2 50s damage wise. Could be wrong.

While not the same, 12.7mm and .50 cals is about the same. I've heard a military guy say that 12.7mm is a bit bigger compared to .50 cals.

I can't confirm this.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #92 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:35:12 PM »

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Originally posted by kj714
But the DA is already set up perfectly for this never ending furball stuff. Apparently all it needs is a name change and everyone will flock to it.

You miss a few salient points.

1. The DA has friendly fire enabled.
2. The DA cannot be modified per DipSticks specifications
3. The DA does not have plane sets restricted to certain bases.

So, I thing perfect is an incorrect ass-umption.

Overlag · « **Reply #93 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:37:29 PM »

why does the furball have to be under 8k?

Edbert1 · « **Reply #94 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:08:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
why does the furball have to be under 8k?

I'l answer assuming it was an honest question...

I would say make the late war FA into a 10K or so myself but the reason is that the worst part of being a furballer in the MA is that no matter how much E you retain there will be guys coming in REALLY high sooner or later to cherry you. The worst are when the two high guys show up in a 2-plane combo like Dora and Hurri-IIC, if you run...errr...extend then the Dora will run you down, if you stall fight him the Hurri burns you (even if you fight him well the Dorka come screaming in at 450+ over and over.

With an 8K ceiling they'll still have a big advantage on you down at 1-2K but not as much of one and you should stand a greater chance of turning the tables than if they had a 10+K perch.

As long as the bases are close together and the numbers are high enough we should be able to stabilize that effect since "our" side will have folks coming in at that alt to keep the pickers worried about too.

Krusty · « **Reply #95 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:09:18 PM »

Straffo, it was pretty bad. One pilot account says that a flight of new typhoons dove in on some enemies, and 3 of them lost their tails and died. 3 in one attack. That's pretty damn bad.

There was another acount where a pilot was learning to fly the Typhoon, made too fast a dive, and literally ripped off something underneath the airframe... Couldn't slow down below 200. Made for a hairy (AND scary) series of landing attempts. Ripped off a plate of skin underneath the belly or some such thing.

The plane was a widowmaker, through and through.

EDIT: Re: 202/205 12.7mm they are about the same as 50cal, yes. 12.7mm is roughly half an inch (the 13mm the Germans had is closer, though)

EDIT2: Think about it, 1 inch is 2.6cm (26mm)

Overlag · « **Reply #96 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:15:59 PM »

that wasnt really the question edbert...

the point is why does a furball need to be at 1-2k as you describe?

Edbert1 · « **Reply #97 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:23:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
that wasnt really the question edbert...

the point is why does a furball need to be at 1-2k as you describe?

Ahhh...well, I not sure they do NEED to be there, but in my experience turnfights tend to get lower, the climbing fight is a thing of rarity in my experience in a 1v1 environment. In a true furball they seem to stabilize at 1 to 5K from what i've seen, the ones that come in at 10-15K will merely B&Z a few times until they expend their E then they go way and grab. They are not what we call furballers and would not be able to do that with 1,000mph winds at 8K

Mister Fork · « **Reply #98 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:34:30 PM »

Dipstick - what is the goal of the Fighter Arena that is not covered (or could be) in the historical Combat Theatre?

Curious...

straffo · « **Reply #99 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:02:31 PM »

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Originally posted by jodgi
While not the same, 12.7mm and .50 cals is about the same. I've heard a military guy say that 12.7mm is a bit bigger compared to .50 cals.

I can't confirm this.

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Originally posted by Krusty
Straffo, it was pretty bad. One pilot account says that a flight of new typhoons dove in on some enemies, and 3 of them lost their tails and died. 3 in one attack. That's pretty damn bad.

There was another acount where a pilot was learning to fly the Typhoon, made too fast a dive, and literally ripped off something underneath the airframe... Couldn't slow down below 200. Made for a hairy (AND scary) series of landing attempts. Ripped off a plate of skin underneath the belly or some such thing..

Early 109F had also the bad abit to lose their tail section

For a Typhoon pilot Flack was more dangerous than the tail section.
I don't negate the weakness of the tail but it was not enought to ground the plane.

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The plane was a widowmaker, through and through.[/B]

Say this to Roland Beamont or Stapleton or any 56sqd Pilot

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EDIT: Re: 202/205 12.7mm they are about the same as 50cal, yes. 12.7mm is roughly half an inch (the 13mm the Germans had is closer, though)

EDIT2: Think about it, 1 inch is 2.6cm (26mm) [/B]

12.7 is exactly what you call 0.50

0.5 inch = 1.27 centimeter

kj714 · « **Reply #100 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:03:09 PM »

Hey Schad and Clif, kiss my SarcASStic
you know what.

Most of the necessary elements are there in DA. I think HT's already pretty much said he's not going to create a new arena for the furballers thing more than once. Geez, if you guys want this so bad, go do it already. Maybe if you got enough people doing it, you could convince HT to build you a custom arena for it. Otherwise, I don't think it's going to fly (pun intended).

If people log on and see that there is 30 people in the DA furballing vs. 450 in the MA doing regular stuff, you would probably get some interest going. So go do it already.

And so whats wrong with friendly fire in the furball? Too realistic?

DipStick · « **Reply #101 on:** May 10, 2005, 04:12:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Dipstick - what is the goal of the Fighter Arena that is not covered (or could be) in the historical Combat Theatre?

Curious...

That would be ACTUAL fighting / alot and in a short amount of time. Not having to climb to 10-15k + to find a horde of 190s waiting for your jug. To not have to waste ammo / chase bombers and 190s, etc... ad nauseum. Not having GVs and puffy ack to deal with. A better plane selection depending on YOUR choice at the time. And so on and so on...

DipStick · « **Reply #102 on:** May 10, 2005, 04:19:12 PM »

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Originally posted by kj714
Hey Schad and Clif, kiss my SarcASStic
you know what.

Most of the necessary elements are there in DA. I think HT's already pretty much said he's not going to create a new arena for the furballers thing more than once. Geez, if you guys want this so bad, go do it already. Maybe if you got enough people doing it, you could convince HT to build you a custom arena for it. Otherwise, I don't think it's going to fly (pun intended).

If people log on and see that there is 30 people in the DA furballing vs. 450 in the MA doing regular stuff, you would probably get some interest going. So go do it already.

And so whats wrong with friendly fire in the furball? Too realistic?

Well for about a week or so I've seen anywhere from 30 to 45 in the DA during US primetime. Altho since the DA is / would NOT be the same as FA it's really a moot point to discuss anyway.

kj714 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 10, 2005, 04:35:21 PM »

At one time? I will pop over to the DA when I log on if there are 10 or so just to see whats going on, if it's a squad I know messing around I'll ask if I can join them for a while, but usually it's just 2 or so people in there. I've never seen 30-45 people in there at once.

It seems that enough have expressed an interest in this, pick a day and a time, preferably where east coast and west coast can both get on and lets do it. I like to furball and enough good sticks have shown interest to make it fun, I'll be there.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #104 on:** May 10, 2005, 04:35:50 PM »

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Originally posted by kj714
Hey Schad and Clif, kiss my SarcASStic
you know what.

Most of the necessary elements are there in DA. I think HT's already pretty much said he's not going to create a new arena for the furballers thing more than once. Geez, if you guys want this so bad, go do it already. Maybe if you got enough people doing it, you could convince HT to build you a custom arena for it. Otherwise, I don't think it's going to fly (pun intended).

If people log on and see that there is 30 people in the DA furballing vs. 450 in the MA doing regular stuff, you would probably get some interest going. So go do it already.

And so whats wrong with friendly fire in the furball? Too realistic?

Yes, the chances of a new arena are not good. My feeling is that it will never be done. With that said though:

30 people in the DA does not mean 30 people furballing. It may be 5 furballing at a base, 7 training at another and 10 furballing a another and 8 practicing bombing at another.

Not what I'd call a FA.

As far as friendly fire. It would be disabled for the same reason it is disabled in the MA. So that the pissing contests don't get out of hand. Can you imaging what happens if someone starts accusing another of kill stealing? Or some moronic uberdweeb decides he's going or go into the FA and start studmuffinging people for fun.