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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2005, 03:44:11 PM »
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Why wouldn't Bush sign the Kyoto treaty? In the biological science community, Bush is thought of as a monster.


I was waiting for this to come up!


First off the same people that blame Bush for the environment blame him for outsourcing jobs in the US as well.

If he'd signed that treaty you could say goodby to almost all of the manufacturing jobs in the US....they'd all go to China and India who wouldnt have such pollution restrictions placed on them.

Imagine that you try and fight pollution but it only shifts elsewere and now we have rapent unemployment to boot.

I'm sure people are gonna love the fact that we have a "cleaner" environment while waiting in a stuffy building to collect their unemployment paychecks.
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2005, 03:52:35 PM »
(1) The West must make a precedent in order for the East to follow.

(2) The U.S. isnt known for cheap labor.  Its known for having a technological edge.  

(3) In your logic gunslinger, instead of one huge country polluting away, we now have two (China AND the U.S.)
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2005, 04:07:34 PM »
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(1) The West must make a precedent in order for the East to follow.

(2) The U.S. isnt known for cheap labor.  Its known for having a technological edge.  

(3) In your logic gunslinger, instead of one huge country polluting away, we now have two (China AND the U.S.)


They are nbot going to follow the west out of the goodness of their hearts or because they percieve the west to be morally superior.

Why must the west lead and the east follow? Where does that iodea come from/

What you are proposing is inherently racist and typically eurocentric.

You do understand that reducing pollution has costs that are external to the key production processes of a business. That is it takes extra money on top of proiducing a good to clean up the waste.  Tell me why a fast growing Chinese govt owned company wpuld want to invest that money in polution when no legal requirement or trade law asks for that polition to be reduced/

The goodnes opf their hearts? Fondness for western culture and concern for environment? Following the lead of the west?

Laughable.  And dont even try to say they will do it because the orient is closer in touch with nature. Just look at what happened in Japan or is happing in China and India now.

You are ignorant and your post demonstartes iot amply, Grow up, learn and cure your ignorance with some real knowledge.
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2005, 04:14:58 PM »
No mercury problem here.  If you guys polluted your water with mercury then clean it up on your own dime.  Stop expecting Uncle Sam to be do what you should be doing yourselves.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2005, 04:17:51 PM »
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This is definately not a local problem.  Powerplants burn coal that releases mercury.


Make up your mind.  Is it a coal powerplant or the DuPont DeLisle Ti02 plant?
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2005, 04:23:43 PM »
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(1) The West must make a precedent in order for the East to follow.

(2) The U.S. isnt known for cheap labor.  Its known for having a technological edge.  

(3) In your logic gunslinger, instead of one huge country polluting away, we now have two (China AND the U.S.)


not in the treaty.  In Kyoto India and china have lesser restrictions imposed apon them.

The US still has manufacturing jobs not nearly as much as other countrys but those factories are employed by American citizens that would lose their jobs.

If I own a business and a new set of restrictions come out that set rediculous standards and I can outsource my manufacturing base to china or india for half the costs now......I WOULD!

The treaty is unfair, it gives economic edges to allready economicly competative countries.  It would be suicide for the US.  We would be looking at 10-20% unemployment rates for a good amount of time.

about number 3......we dont have ONE huge poluter we have many.  China and India are growing and in the near future they will out pace the US as far as pollution goes.  This gives them an advantage and no incentive to follow suit.
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2005, 04:35:01 PM »
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about number 3......we dont have ONE huge poluter we have many.  China and India are growing and in the near future they will out pace the US as far as pollution goes.  This gives them an advantage and no incentive to follow suit.


Come now Gunslinger, all those little yellow and brown people just want to be like the west and want to follow our superior leadrship! It is the way of things! They must!
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2005, 04:47:40 PM »
Just to remind you guys again, that polluting has costs, just like not polluting does.   Please get this real, true scenario through your heads:

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15 years ago our Bay (Long Islands Great South Bay, home of the Blue Point Clam) was populated by the largest shellfish industry in the North East.

The bay is dead now.. contaminants, road runoff, industrial waste, human waste.. it's disgusting.


An entire industry, destroyed by pollution.

In the end, I don't think it matters much - manufacturers can cut labor costs by 90% by moving to China.   Pretty tough to argue with that.   Plus they get to pollute their little hearts out as icing on the cake.
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2005, 05:01:24 PM »
He will start on the cleanup after he cuts down all the trees. Please dont think of him as a RADICAL RIGHTY:)

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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2005, 07:58:31 PM »
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haha, ya'right... he had a plan to get your vote, thats what plan he had.


to bad he didn't have a plan to win the presidency :lol
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2005, 08:41:01 PM »
fish that glow + muslim extremist = dirty bomb

might just get a few hundred billion.
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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2005, 10:33:03 PM »
I'd settle for a Congressman to clean up my garage.
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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2005, 11:51:45 PM »
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haha, ya'right... he had a plan to get your vote, thats what plan he had.


And Bush has done what extraordinary thing? I mean it's moot who isn't in office, either way. What's more important is who IS in office. Ain't it?

OTOH the extremist in the USA switch their signs from Green Peace "Save the enviroment" to "Stop the war in Iraq", then "Save Terry Shriavo", then back to "Stop the war in Iraq".

The the voice of the enviroment from those groups has taken a backseat. Like I said, they are extremeist, did anyone really expect them to stay focued? Trekies are more focused. ~G~ And did you think Bush was just going to do it without pressure? BAAHAhahaha.

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2005, 12:07:21 AM »
You'll see Rosie O'Donnell pass by a Dunkin Donuts without stopping before you'll see Bush do something about the environment.
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« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2005, 12:31:52 AM »
When is Rosie going to clean up our donut shops? Most of them are filthy with grease.
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