More evidence that sexuality is biological

[Sabre]

It's all so obvious, isn't it?  There is really no such thing as a hetrosextual male.  All those guys erroniously labeled as "straight" are actual just lesbians trapped in a man's body.  Oh the shame of it:eek: !!!  I wonder of anyone's tried that line on some good looking lesbian yet?

[spitfiremkv]

what about gay sex in prison? is the brain magically transformed?

[Airhead]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
what about gay sex in prison? is the brain magically transformed?

The "catchers" in prison are largely homosexuals who play the role of females...the "pitchers" are largely hetrosexual men who are somewhat ambigious about thier sexuality, revert to hetrosexuality upon release from prison, and constitute a small percentage of the prison population.

Maybe it's just me, but man, the idea of being a willing participant in homosexual activity grosses me out...if you feel like you could be persuaded then you're already there, you're just in denial.  

[Shuckins]

Sex in prison is about having no "other" outlet...and about dominance.


As far as this research is concerned, I don't believe the facts presented necessarily prove anything of substance.  For instance, it doesn't really answer the question of WHY the gay brain develops the way it does.  Also, it doesn't tell us whether or not a person's sexual preference is determined by the type of sex they have during their very first sexual encounter...as in an older boy seducing a younger boy.  (This is something I have always suspected was one of the root causes of individuals choosing a gay lifestyle.)

What effect does this first experience have upon the development of the adolescent brain?

[Lizking]

The bottom line is that being attracted to a person of the same gender is not deviant.  I would wager that most humans are homo-social, that is, they prefer the company of their own gender.  However  penetrating an excretory orifice with a sexual organ IS deviant, and is not healthy, morally, physically or culturally.

[spitfiremkv]

don't let any women hear that

[Fuzzy]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
don't let any women hear that

 I SECOND THAT!

By the way, I made a hormone in science class.






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I didn't pay her!






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*cricket*

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Thrawn
What an amazing disservice you do to the scientists that produce studies on this topic.  And although it might be true in some cases you can't assume it's true in this one.  Another point is that although it might be a politically hot topic in some places, it's quite possible that it simply isn't in Sweden, but I honestly don't konw..

"Hamer cautions that the gay men's different brain activity could be either a cause of their sexual orientation or an effect of it. But, he said, "it certainly seems unlikely that somehow being interested in men would cause the brain to rewire itself in such a dramatic way." [/i]

The last part of that quote, wich you used in your reply, indicates a lack of impartiality at best. Blatant bias is not an unjustified description.

To draw the conclusions they do, they would have to do the studies on PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT YET GAY, and then watch to see their sexual orientaion play out. [/i]

Do you mean "people who have not had a homosexual experience"?  I say this because it might be possible that people are either hetero or homosexual thier entire lives.[/B]

To come to any logical or scientific conclusion on this subject, there would have to be a study of children that have not been exposed to sexual experiences. If 4 year old males exhibited the same nuerological response, and then practised homosexuality in adulthood, a correlation could be drawn. As it stands, the data that was recorded by this study does nothing to bolster the theory that homosexuality is a predetermined biological condition.

The scientists certainly didn't reach a PC conclusions, but infact stated the same point you made about causality.[/B]

"Hamer cautions that the gay men's different brain activity could be either a cause of their sexual orientation or an effect of it. But, he said, "it certainly seems unlikely that somehow being interested in men would cause the brain to rewire itself in such a dramatic way."[/i]

Note the qualifiers.[/B]

The statement begins as an objective view, but ends with a subjective opinion with no basis in fact or research.


The citation of research of AIDS victims is irrelevant. Including it only suggests that AIDS only infects homosexuals.


One last note on 'predetermination'

I'm an alcoholic. I choose not to drink. I have a genetic inclination to be an alcoholic. If I decide to allow that inclination to dictate my actions, would you consider me progressive, or a drunk?

[Suave]

This argument was largely put to bed when the nature vs nurture experiment failed in the sixties.

Basically the idea was that you could raise a boy to be a girl, and vice versa. Parents that had male infants who's genetalia was destroyed or defective were led to believe that the infant could be salvaged by a sex change operation, and raise the child as a girl.

Of course it didn't work.

[mora]

Originally posted by Lazerus
I'm an alcoholic. I choose not to drink. I have a genetic inclination to be an alcoholic. If I decide to allow that inclination to dictate my actions, would you consider me progressive, or a drunk?

I'm not too sure if the negative effects of humping men and heavy drinking are comparable.

[Lazerus]

The comparison is in the genetic tendency towards alcoholism and the proposed tendency towards homosexuality.

A person geneticaly predisposed to alcoholism can choose to not drink.

[straffo]

seeing your avatar Laz I find funny your participation in this thread

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Lazerus
The comparison is in the genetic tendency towards alcoholism and the proposed tendency towards homosexuality.

A person geneticaly predisposed to alcoholism can choose to not drink.

Likewise a person predisposed to homosexuality can choose not to have sex....however, I have a tough time dictating standards of behavior followed by consenting adults in the privacy of thier own homes.

[DieAz]

Originally posted by wrag


Doctors and scientist are STILL figuring out what are hormones.

They still DO NOT fully understand what hormones do or how they do it.

you gotta be kidding me.  
next you gonna say, they haven't figured out what gravity is??
 if so....      

and    etc.

[cpxxx]

I simply cannot understand how anyone can think it's possible to choose to be gay. Or that your first experience can dictate your sexuality. Or the way your Mother brought you up.

I can only refer to my own experiences. I knew nothing about sex as a kid but when I hit puberty. I didn't need any help deciding who I was attracted to (although I wasn't sure why, being very innocent). My best friend, Gerard (who actually later turned out to be gay) or my sister's best friend, Caroline, (who was an early developer). I didn't need to choose because I was pre disposed to girls. Gerard never got a look in after that. Gerard went the other way but I only found out years later. Because he was as innocent as I was at the time.

So in my opinion anyone who believes you can choose to be gay, must do so because at some point in their life they faced that choice and decided not to be gay.

   Therefore those of you who believe being gay is a choice must be gay themselves but have chosen not to exercise that option. They then pretend to themselves and the world and their wives that they are straight and even cultivate a sort of homophobia.

In my opinion most homophobes and those who declare themselves disgusted by gay sex are in fact in denial about their own sexuality.

You can read through this thread and decide who is gay and who is not. It's nature not nurture.