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« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2005, 01:31:55 PM »
The boogie man comin to get ya.
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« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2005, 02:56:39 PM »
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You're right, it's really not affecting me so much but one would think that at least you would care, since it _will_ directly affect all your lives.

Yes, it has happened before..


1)It's not gonna affect me or anyone else with an ounce of computer sense. DRM for example is one case of the "protection" they use. Its really laughable if you know how to use google.

2)When? Where? What?

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« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2005, 03:47:43 PM »
When somebody on these BB talks about "Its not affecting people who can use computers" they mean "It doesen affect people who are willing to spend 5 hours straight to circumvent copyprotections"

Circumventing hardware locks are very different issue than circumventing some software protections.  Hardware locks can be made very robust and they cannot be copied over internet; you need hacked hardware to get it work. It might be hard to find that piece of hardware if it was made illegal?

Everything man made can be unmade, but when the effort is constantly increasing there will be time when you just leave it alone and say "sheeeeesh". Thats when organizations like RIAA will start to do funny things in your pockets whether you like it or not.

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« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2005, 04:20:53 PM »
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When somebody on these BB talks about "Its not affecting people who can use computers" they mean "It doesen affect people who are willing to spend 5 hours straight to circumvent copyprotections"

Circumventing hardware locks are very different issue than circumventing some software protections.  Hardware locks can be made very robust and they cannot be copied over internet; you need hacked hardware to get it work. It might be hard to find that piece of hardware if it was made illegal?

Everything man made can be unmade, but when the effort is constantly increasing there will be time when you just leave it alone and say "sheeeeesh". Thats when organizations like RIAA will start to do funny things in your pockets whether you like it or not.


5 hours? guess your not one of those people who I was talking about then.

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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2005, 06:36:47 PM »
Skuzzy, lazs, jackal, how do you feel about paying a tax to help fight music piracy on every bit of computer and audio-video equipment you buy in the future?

Think about it... if you can't get my point then you don't understand the subject of this thread as much as you think you do.

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« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2005, 09:46:42 PM »
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us sheep not listening to  or recording mp3's are really ruining it for you rugged individualists hanging on every new release.


Sorry, I don't trade MP3's.. and of the few 99% are freeware.

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« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2005, 10:27:14 PM »
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Skuzzy, lazs, jackal, how do you feel about paying a tax to help fight music piracy on every bit of computer and audio-video equipment you buy in the future?

Think about it... if you can't get my point then you don't understand the subject of this thread as much as you think you do.

What does that have to do with anything?  If it is going to happen, then it is going to happen and there is not one damn thing that can be done to stop it.
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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2005, 10:39:29 PM »
My opinion.....

I'd love to be able to put a flash card in my Tivo and transfer a movie and then play it on another TV in the house

If the MPAA/RIAA had their way this would not be possible.

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« Reply #68 on: May 20, 2005, 06:43:37 AM »
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Skuzzy, lazs, jackal, how do you feel about paying a tax to help fight music piracy on every bit of computer and audio-video equipment you buy in the future?

Think about it... if you can't get my point then you don't understand the subject of this thread as much as you think you do.


  I think if anyone is planning on quitting their day job and living off the amount of tax on these items from me, then they better like beans. :)
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« Reply #69 on: May 20, 2005, 08:10:06 AM »
exactly... what will happen is that they will get less money from me.   If the pirates are the only users then they will figure a way to get around it.  I, on the other hand, will simply not bother to buy their product unless it is really something I want.

I don't ***** and moan because the DVD I want of a movie is 10-20 bucks nor do I go into full criminal mode trying to figure out a way to steal it or cry because my hardware won't let me..  If I want the movie I will buy it if not...  who cares?

I have too damn many DVD's as it is.

All the programs I record?  Hell, I record over em next time.   If I can't watch a TV program without commercials.... I won't watch it.

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« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2005, 08:19:56 AM »
and vulcan... you seem perfectly happy with punishing everyone for the criminal acts of a very tiny minority when it comes to guns but are outraged when the majority is punished for the criminal acts of many concerning your precious tv and mp3 stuff..  

I would say that the criminals in the latter media outnumber firearms criminals on a ten to one per capita basis at a minumum..  the theft and criminal activity is rampant.

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« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2005, 10:25:57 AM »
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If I can't watch a TV program without commercials.... I won't watch it.


According to the MPAA, technology to enable people to skip adverts is theft, and they've already stopped the production of one recorder that offered the feature.

From the legal action launched against the makers of "ReplayTV":

"Plaintiffs bring this action to obtain preliminary and permanent relief against an unlawful plan by defendants to arm their customers with -- and continuously assist them in using -- unprecedented new tools for violating plaintiffs’ copyright interests in the programming they supply to various television distribution services, including their own program services. Defendants’ unlawful scheme, which is centered on a new device called a “ReplayTV 4000,” seeks to profit from two novel methods of violating plaintiffs’ rights. First, defendants enable, assist, and induce their ReplayTV 4000 customers to make unauthorized digital copies of plaintiffs’ copyrighted television programming for the purpose of -- at the touch of a button -- viewing the programming with all commercial advertising automatically deleted. (Defendants offer essentially this same feature on another device, a new analog videocassette recorder (“VCR”) called the “DDV2120.”) This unlawful activity harms the potential market for and value of plaintiffs’ copyrighted works because commercial advertising is a crucial (and often the sole) means by which plaintiffs receive payment for such programming. "

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and vulcan... you seem perfectly happy with punishing everyone for the criminal acts of a very tiny minority when it comes to guns but are outraged when the majority is punished for the criminal acts of many concerning your precious tv and mp3 stuff..

I would say that the criminals in the latter media outnumber firearms criminals on a ten to one per capita basis at a minumum.. the theft and criminal activity is rampant.


This is what I can't understand about your position, lazs.

You are against controls on guns, because as well as being used to murder people, guns are used for legitimate purposes.

Yet you don't seem to apply the same criteria to devices that enable you to record TV (for example).

Now, personally, I'd say 1 murder outweighs rather a lot of pirate mp3s being swapped, and 10,000+ a year outweigh the swapping of mp3s altogether.

So if someone potentially recording a TV programme instead of buying a DVD justifies restricting everyone's ability to record TV, shouldn't someone potentially shooting someone else restrict the availability of guns?

Or is someone recording a TV programme illegally really worse than murder, therefore justifying stricter control on video recorders than guns?

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« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2005, 01:42:26 PM »
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According to the MPAA, technology to enable people to skip adverts is theft, and they've already stopped the production of one recorder that offered the feature.

From the legal action launched against the makers of "ReplayTV":

"Plaintiffs bring this action to obtain preliminary and permanent relief against an unlawful plan by defendants to arm their customers with -- and continuously assist them in using -- unprecedented new tools for violating plaintiffs’ copyright interests in the programming they supply to various television distribution services, including their own program services. Defendants’ unlawful scheme, which is centered on a new device called a “ReplayTV 4000,” seeks to profit from two novel methods of violating plaintiffs’ rights. First, defendants enable, assist, and induce their ReplayTV 4000 customers to make unauthorized digital copies of plaintiffs’ copyrighted television programming for the purpose of -- at the touch of a button -- viewing the programming with all commercial advertising automatically deleted. (Defendants offer essentially this same feature on another device, a new analog videocassette recorder (“VCR”) called the “DDV2120.”) This unlawful activity harms the potential market for and value of plaintiffs’ copyrighted works because commercial advertising is a crucial (and often the sole) means by which plaintiffs receive payment for such programming. "



Basically my understanding is Hollywood used threat of millions of dollars worth of litigation to get the commercial skipping feature removed.

A new product by a different manufacturer is coming on the scene and is fully upgradable and moddable to whatever the individual wants.

http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,59690,00.html

Unlike TiVo or ReplayTV, the Telly is designed to be easily upgraded and expanded by the consumer and third-party software developers. Most other set-top boxes are expressly designed not to be hacked, and their warranties are voided if the owner opens them up to tinker.

By contrast, the Telly is expandable like a PC. Consumers can add bigger hard drives, more memory or even swap out the motherboard. In most cases, the machine automatically detects and configures itself to run the new hardware.

"We wanted a box that could grow, that would not be locked down with storage or any particular technology," said Interact-TV CEO Ken Fuhrman.

The Telly automatically records TV shows, and can pause and rewind live TV. Programming information is provided over the Net through a free subscription service.


$900 but watch the price come down as hollywood keeps up this bs.

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« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2005, 02:23:00 PM »
nashwan...  you make no sense.   The quote of the law said nothing about me fast forwarding commercials...it simply said that to make hardware that intentionaly skipped content of a broadcast was illegal.

on the guns subject you appear to concede my point that per capita there are a lot more lawbreakers in media than firearms... you go off on a tangent on the seriousness of the crimes which.... is true.. murder is more seious than financial ruin but.... you leave out the flip side.   The fact that guns prevent millions of crimes a year so... their seriousness of crime is more than balanced out by their seriousness of preventing crime...

How does copying matterial for free benifiet anyone?

Gun manufacturers don't want people copying their design either.  

other than the fact that they criminal users are causeing more and more restrictions on the law abiding... there is no comparrison between guns and media copy... yet... you guys seem content to restrict firearms from the vast majority of law abiding citizens through strictly govermental means and at the same time have a hissy fit when the criminal acts of a huge group of consumers force the media industry to restrict their own goods.  

unbelievably hypocritical.    Like all the ban everything you don't like crowd... you are happy as little clams till it is your ox being gored.

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« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2005, 12:34:41 AM »
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How does copying matterial for free benifiet anyone?


Maybe it can save someones life if a mentally unstable person gets his tivoed fix of 'young and restless' and therefore avoids flipping out on a gun rampage.

As usual you have a tunnel vision driven by your own motivations lazs. It's growingly clear that all your comments are self motivated and egocentric. You think nobody else should have different interests whether it's guns or recording tv shows in question.

The world is not about you however. There are millions of people who do want to make backup copies for thier own use and/or record tv for later viewing. It's 100% legit (so far) and everyones right. Logically so.

I hope that next MPAA will drive legislation to ban cheap 50-box ammo and self loading equipment because they're featured in so many movies. That will get lazs on the run. :lol