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Offline SOB

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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »
Save them Jebus!


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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2001, 02:46:00 PM »
Well, I don't believe in the death penalty because it's pretty difficult to apologise to a dead man.

In this case I'd suggest that justice would have been far better served by putting him in a cell for life and not letting him out - at all.

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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »
Its hard to rejoice in the death of a person... no matter how much they deserved it.

Mr. McVey deserved the death penalty.  He was executed.  Justice was served.

He'll get no more emotion out of me than that.

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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »
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Well, I don't believe in the death penalty because it's pretty difficult to apologise to a dead man.

In this case I'd suggest that justice would have been far better served by putting him in a cell for life and not letting him out - at all.

That's not an option.  Interestingly, my idea of putting them in a cell with just enough to live on (bread, water, working toilet, clean clothes and showers) would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.  Prisons are -too- soft.  All prisoners should be provided with the bare essentials, i.e. food, shelter, clothing, and hygiene options (clean clothes, bathing, exercise, medical attention).  If you're sentenced to life w/o possibility of parole, that's ALL you get.  You're never going back to society, so you don't need news and information from the outside.  You're kept isolated from the other prisoners as much as possible (no social interaction.) You've given up these rights by committing your heinous crime.  The prisoners that will eventually be released get the basics, plus education to a GED (if they don't have high school education), maybe a trade skill education, and periodicals of information (such as a newspaper or news magazine) on the outside.  That's it.  No TV, no movies, no entertainment at all.  

Cruel and unusual punishment?  No more so than the crimes they have committed on society.  They didn't think of the rights of the people they hurt, so they forfeited their rights;  after their conviction of course, still innocent until proven guilty.
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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2001, 03:10:00 PM »
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In this case I'd suggest that justice would have been far better served by putting him in a cell for life and not letting him out - at all.

Sounds great....and can we just send you the bill for keeping him alive for the next 30 or 40 years or however long he lives in prison?  I think that he got what he deserved.  At least now some of the survivors and families of the people he killed have some closure to the whole incident.

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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2001, 04:08:00 PM »
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1977 The last official use of the guillotine in France. On the 10th of September Hamida Djandoubi was executed.

Is this wrong then?
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2001, 05:00:00 PM »
I am glad it is over at alst. I pray the survivors and family of the victims can rest knowing they are safe from this creature. (I won't dignify him with the term man, he was the worst of cowards)

If this acts as a deterant to others, I don't know. I do know one thing, however, he is permanently detered from EVER hurting another person (adult or chid) ever again. For that reason alone I am satisfied with the death penalty.

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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2001, 06:55:00 PM »
Gee I thought this thread was about G.W. my mistake.   :D

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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2001, 08:21:00 PM »
What Dowding said.

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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2001, 02:36:00 AM »
Me thinks god had no part in all of f this ..


btw.. the death penalty hasn't kept folks from killing etc.

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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2001, 02:43:00 AM »
I'm pretty much against the death penalty, for numerous reasons. However, all my reasoning just seems to come up weak when compared to the death of 168 people.

So as far as my own sentiment goes, I'll borrow Deja's words:

 
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« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2001, 03:08:00 AM »
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btw.. the death penalty hasn't kept folks from killing etc.

A half-assed death penalty nets half-assed results.  Currently, if you kill someone in the U.S. you aren't faced with the reality that if you're caught and convicted you will die.  In the absence of this reality that statement is pretty meaningless.


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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2001, 03:44:00 AM »
compare crime rates in Europe with crime rate in the US ..

either there is a huge gap in who's been getting caught or the death penalty ain't that big of a detterrent (sp?)

i can understand why people want vangeance.. but IMO i don't want the justice system (as political as it is to be doing that.

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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2001, 04:22:00 AM »
There is a lot of education and cultural difference with our fellow American and the problem they have with criminality come from
a lot of factor we don't have in Europe.

  • not free weapon access
  • no "pioneer" folklore/mentality about guns (1)
  • our educative system work mostly and is the same for all.
  • less or no ghetto
  • less money segregation (the poor and rich have equal access to health/education)(2)
  • in general (with the exception of UK and Ireland) our political system are social based/socialist
  • less drug addict ?

(1) what work in countryside don't work in suburbs/city
(2) that's perhaps a misconception (don't forget it's my own view of the USA from the other side of the Atlantique  :)

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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2001, 05:22:00 AM »
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compare crime rates in Europe with crime rate in the US ..

either there is a huge gap in who's been getting caught or the death penalty ain't that big of a detterrent (sp?)

i can understand why people want vangeance.. but IMO i don't want the justice system (as political as it is to be doing that.

I think you're missing my point.  The odds of someone being executed for murder in the US are rediculously low.  How could that possibly be a deterrent?

Anyhow, regardless of whether it's a deterrent or not, I'm in favor of a real death penalty.  You shoot a guy in the face while you're robbing him, you get executed just the same as if you killed 168 people with a bomb.


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