A monster is dead

[storm]

I understand all the people wanting him dead
it's a pretty natural sentiment towards someone that acts in this manner.

But on the other hand IMO it's a simple solution to a bigger problem.No that he is dead the most important witness is dead too.

 He was trained in the US army and raised among americans.From what i heard he was a time bomb ticking away.

It's easy to focus on the bright and shiny and the #1's but there should be the same focus on people that live on the fringe and are outcasts from their own society to maybe prevent even bigger tragedies.

US is awesome at analyzing data ,exploring space,awesome new technologies but have big troubles in analyzing their own society.It's a big mix of races and cultures with a permission to carry guns.Higly volatile stuff
i guess.Just the passion for guns is a vertile ground to play around with much bigger stuff in a sick mind.I understand the gun background of the US but i think it is a big drawback for the country.

A guy that shoots someone in the face might deserve to die but IMO a guys that does something like Mcveigh should be kept alive and studied thoroughly to maybe  learn something to prevent people to even have such a horrible idea.Somehow the US army should maybe keep track of guys that get
refused to special programs.

I myself am against the death penalty,but i havent had any wacko blow away any of my beloved ones.So i guess it's easy to be against it right now.

cheers

[blur]

I've come to the opinion that there's no absolute right and wrong, there's just a billion different viewpoints. Now, I don't condone what McVeigh did. He was a deluded amazinhunk. But if we take an imaginary trip into his head I think we can gain some insight.

McVeigh's occupation on his death certificate said, "soldier". In his head, he was a freedom fighter against an oppressive government. If the English occupied the government building he blew up and we were fighting for our independence he'd be hailed as a hero or if the building were in Baghdad during the Gulf War he'd be given medals and have his picture on Time magazine. So you see everything has to be taken in context.

McVeigh was waging a war of one. He made the fundamental mistake of becoming as evil as his enemy however. He was a warrior on a grand mission and for his story to pass into folklore he had to be killed by the massive juggernaut he was fighting against. Our government played right into his hands.

McVeigh came away from his execution looking pretty good. The victims came off as ignorant, vindictive sniveling whiners. The government came off as a human rights violator under a chorus of condemnation from foreign leaders.

McVeigh was a deluded amazinhunk but he had guts right to the end. I'll give him that.

[OHIO]

Well I agree with what Blu say's but in fact as an EX-Gulf War Vet and a part time Army Crew Chief, I don't think that I would of blew up a building with young kids and Inoccent Civi's in it at anytime or any war, but thats just me, When you have a few screw's missing like old Timmy did anything can be precieved as a just and noble cause.  I don't hate the man and I won't pass judgement on him or his soul, thats not my job (<---looks up) what I do know and feel is that he paid his debt to the people he hurt and killed, I don't know maybe I would feel diffrent if that was my little 2 year old girl being picked out of the rubble??

       OHIO

[Ripsnort]

One thing is certain, we do not know if it is indeed a deterent, how can you get metrics on the ones that would have potentially killed had there not been a death penalty in place here in the US?  For all we know, we might have 10 times more violent crimes!

The death penalty here is just one part of the 'closure' sequence for the familys, in a very complicated judical system that is obviously broken...I think before we abolish a death penalty, we have to fix the system first.

[Creamo]

You know, with all seriousness, I was thinking you could have tricked the martyr roadkill right out of the skinny peice O' crap with material for the Twilight Zone to boot.

Would it not have been fantastic to take him through the entire ordeal, but a few days before the real deal. He would think it was for real, and instead of killing him, inject just a sleeping drug.

Then wheel the little salamander into a super hot dark room where he would awake, thinking this must be the big deal, the afterlife.

You could them just mindf*k him with loud speakers and effects as if he was in hell, till he was a weaping, crying, begging fool.

Of course then you video tape him with crap in his pants, bawling, and give it to the family's as a gift.

Then kill him.

[blur]

Creamo, with "Reality TV" all the craze you may be able to sell that concept to the networks.  

[buhdman]

Originally posted by Creamo:
Being put to sleep just doesn't seem fitting to me. Going to a concentration camp in Siberia for life starving, freezing, and working till you were drug to the barracks would be a real squeak. Whatever, least I don't have to see that ugly turd anymore or hear about him giving advice to PETA and other crazy groups.

Actually, after reading that article, the only thing I thought would be rational, is stoning this stupid hag to death!

    (Image removed from quote.)  

I'd be casting the 1st stone alright...  

An anti-death penalty protester waits in a reserved area near the U.S. Federal Penitentiary late Sunday night at Terre Haute, Indiana.

I don't find anything funny in this.

By executing McVeigh, we may have gotten this "tumor", all right, but I fear the "cancer" has already spread, as evidenced by this post and others like it on this board.

Buhdman, out

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: buhdman ]

[buhdman]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Its hard to rejoice in the death of a person... no matter how much they deserved it.

Mr. McVey deserved the death penalty.  He was executed.  Justice was served.

He'll get no more emotion out of me than that.

AKDejaVu

Well said, AKDejaVu, thank you.

Buhdman, out

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: buhdman ]

[Creamo]

Your poetry has inspired me Bud, I retract that tasteless humor.

I even wrote a poem myself.

You are a tard,
Not a card, a Tard!


Although it's short, the insight to the truth and simplicity is super.

It could be published you know...

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]

[Eagler]

Sad how many of the same people screaming about putting an admitted mass murderer of women and children to death, will support the abortion of an unborn child who has done nothing to warrant such a sentence...

Eagler

[blur]

Originally posted by Eagler:
Sad how many of the same people screaming about putting an admitted mass murderer of women and children to death, will support the abortion of an unborn child who has done nothing to warrant such a sentence...

Eagler

You forgot to mention one little thing. This "unborn child" is inside a woman's body. Now, is the woman sovereign over her body? Or is it the property of the state?

I don't understand why the fundamentalist religious types get all upset over this issue. According to their beliefs doesn't everyone have to answer to God for their actions? If so we certainly don't need any middlemen.  

[Dowding]

I was interested in McVeigh's take on his actions.

As you probably know, he saw it as an act of war, much like the war against Iraq for instance.

I don't for a second subscribe to this view; but for the families of those civilians that WERE killed by US forces in Iraq or UK forces in Serbia - how is their loved one's fate to be viewed any differently from McVeigh's victims?

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Eagler:
Sad how many of the same people screaming about putting an admitted mass murderer of women and children to death, will support the abortion of an unborn child who has done nothing to warrant such a sentence...

Eagler

You're right.  People who support abortion view it as a "necessary" evil.   People who support the death penalty view it as a "necessary" evil.  Yet the two camps almost always take the opposite stance on the other issue.  Liberals pro abortion, anti-death penalty.  Conservatives pro-death penalty, anti-abortion (except in cases of rape, incest and significant danger to the mother.)

Personally, I hate abortion as a form of birth control.  However, it needs to be legal.  Why?  Because if it wasn't, the stupid women (and little girls!!!) would still try to have them in some back alley doctors office.  "Coat hangar" abortions WOULD happen, which is extremely dangerous to the women.  Another point is if the mother doesn't want the child, she won't care for it or love it, and that's a worse fate than abortion, IMO.  We all know that not every child put up for adoption will find a loving home.  I know I'm not going to take the unwanted child.  Are you going to take it?  Those are the reasons why it's a necessary evil in my opinion.  

As for the people who say "it's the woman's body, we can't tell her what to do with it."  Excuse me?  We can tell her she cannot use marijuana (and other illegal drugs), we tell her she cannot sell her body for sex (in most states anyways), and we even tell her that she can't legally attempt to take her own life in some states.  We tell her she can't smoke til she's 18, she can't drink til she's 21 and can't vote til she's 18.  So we can and we DO tell her what she can and can't with/do to her own body.  

In my opinion, picking and choosing what an adult can and can't do to themselves (you can drink, but can't shoot up heroin.  you can't prostitute yourself, but you can abort an unborn fetus) is every bit as bad as people who pick and choose which scriptures and teachings from the bible to follow and which to ignore.  Just some extra things to think about...

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Dowding:
I was interested in McVeigh's take on his actions.

As you probably know, he saw it as an act of war, much like the war against Iraq for instance.

I don't for a second subscribe to this view; but for the families of those civilians that WERE killed by US forces in Iraq or UK forces in Serbia - how is their loved one's fate to be viewed any differently from McVeigh's victims?

It's not.  Nor are the fates of the millions of civilians that died during WWII, and every other war that has been fought.  The difference is there is usually an open state of war between the sides.  

You can view McVeigh's bombing as a declaration of war, and the gov't's response as accepting that war.  Kinda weird way to look at it, though.

[SOB]

LOL!  I need to learn how to read  

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