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Offline Krusty

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What's a good fighter to start on?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2005, 01:29:24 PM »
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i have twisty stick and i do just fine in 109's.


Tried sending you an e-mail, but you've got e-mail disabled on this board.

Can you by any chance send me some screenshots of your joystick slider setup? I've been tinkering with mine for years and am NEVER totally happy.

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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2005, 01:39:49 PM »
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Whatever you learn on, DO NOT LEARN ON THE SPITV!
With the Spit Mk IX, one of the "best" to start with IMO.

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It takes no skill whatsoever
Very ignorant statement.

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and if you "learn" to fly with no skill you will only ever fly that one plane.
Same applies for any other AC like LA7, P51D, etc.

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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2005, 01:44:33 PM »
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Tried sending you an e-mail, but you've got e-mail disabled on this board.

Can you by any chance send me some screenshots of your joystick slider setup? I've been tinkering with mine for years and am NEVER totally happy.

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I will, but i think i just use default.  Use a MS precision pro 2 USB stick without the force feedback.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2005, 01:45:27 PM »
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Carpel tunnel was the statement.


ahh....


whats that? :)

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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2005, 01:45:49 PM »
I use MS Precision (not sure it it's a pro) sidewinder non-USB (I had my choice, went with non-USB for the throttle).

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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »


i have one of these, am about to go out so will send you screenshots later or tomorrow.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2005, 01:52:48 PM »
That's the throttle I didn't want. LOL I like the rotating dial one. Esentially the same stick.

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Re: What's a good fighter to start on?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2005, 02:08:27 PM »
Hi Arcades,

>i used to play Air Warrior and wasn't too bad, but I seem to have forgotten most of what I knew!  

>What is an easily flyable, fun plane that I can cut my teeth on?

If you still remember what you personally considered a fun plane in Air Warrior, you might want to have a look at the same plane in Aces High :-)

If Oldman as fellow AW veteran recommends the Spitfire IX, explore your feelings towards this bird in AW and either strap into one or avoid it in Aces High :-) AW players' opinions tended to be rather polarized when it came to the Spitfire if I remember correctly.

In my opinion, you can't go wrong with the P-51 unless you were a Spit9 or PJ man in AW :-)

Note that I hardly know anything about Aces High and definitely shouldn't be giving any advice :-) But it's too much fun recalling the old AW mindsets for me to resist!

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2005, 02:28:50 PM »
I have the same stick as Furball, but it's about 3 years old and the base buttons are failing and front-right on my hat has been defective for a long time.  There is also a ridiculous amount of center slop in both axes.  I've dissassembled the stick once to add some paper strips in the gimball mechanism to try and tighten it but there is just too much.  The stick is being replaced by a Fighterstick and Pro Throttle & Pedals when they get delivered.

As for beginner aircraft... I'm a bit of an exception... from my very first AH tour I began weening myself on the P-38.  I don't really recommend it though.  I spent a few weeks getting consistently blasted out of the sky before I learned how to survive longer, and then it took another couple of tours before I really started learning the finer points of ACM.  

My suggestions for beginner aircraft are the Spit IX, then 109F, and F6F a little later when learning flap usage.  Finally, only after all of these, one might try the 190A-5, if only to iron out lingering ham-fisted tendencies, because the 190A's have punishing wingstalls.

The important thing for beginner planes is that they be capable of all types of ACM, and have gentle stalling characteristics.  All three of these planes are good turners and don't stall or snap-roll easily, but also have good enough high speed handling and dive performance to BnZ with.  They also don't have super-deadly quad hispano armaments, which means that you'll be forced to practice gunnery a little to start getting kills, especially with the 109F.

IMHO, super-turners like the Spit V, Hurri II or Zero, are bad planes to learn on, because all they teach is that in any situation, a good option for you is to just yank the stick back and go into a tight lufberry.  You won't be prepared to fly faster, heavier aircraft after spending all your time in these.  On the other hand, planes like the P-51D, 190D9, and 190G10 will be pure BnZ planes in the hands of new players, and without any TnB experience they won't learn the more advanced ACM required to get into the thick of things with these planes.

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2005, 03:13:24 PM »
I have been learning in the Yak...teaches you to save your shots.  Also been playing with the Ki-84, which I would recommend if you tend to "nose up" in your ACMs.  But I am just a dweeb...so take things here I say with a grain of salt :D

Ecliptik, are you the same guy from Eve and I think JG?  If so, whats up!  If not, whats up anyway! :D

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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2005, 03:32:46 PM »
Well, when I played AW I flew the 109 almost exclusivley.  What I've learned here is that the 109 does not behave the same in a realistic environment as it did in the RR Europe theater of AW.  I also did quite a bit of "milking" in my B-17 for AW but cannot seem to calibrate the bombsight here to hit my target yet--keep in mind I've only been at this for a little while :)

As for the Spitfire, I enjoyed flying them in AW but they went through ammo like JLo goes through hubbies; here I like the P51B so far, followed by the Spit IX.  \

I remember the Yak as being fun to fly but slow; is it the same here?

Also I just figured out how to fire rockets and drop bombs in a fighter, so I might start getting some ground kills! :aok

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2005, 04:07:27 PM »
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I remember the Yak as being fun to fly but slow; is it the same here?
 


The Yak-9U here bears no resemblance to the Yak-9D in AW. The Yak-9U is very fast on the deck, is very forgiving, and has decent maneuvering charactoristics. It handles very well at high speeds and in a dive. Basically, it would be a great plane for new players except for two things: Low ammo, suboptmial ballistics.

Basically, if you are new you may want to consider the guns first, since you have to hit the enemy to kill them. So the Hispano and .50 cal armed planes would be your best bet. Once you get a feel for the game, it might be easier to switch to a more difficult gun like the ShVAK, or the MG-151. The difference between the guns is one of my favorite changes from AW to AH. There is some fascinating **** out there.

The Yak-9T will probably just piss you off if you fly it. The gun on that thing is the best in the game, but you only get 32 rounds.

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2005, 04:17:10 PM »
I started with 109s... then the F4U... shrug.

Don't stick with one plane, that leads to boredom.  Try them ALL, die alot, feel good when you land'em. :cool:

Exposing yourself to a wide range of various strengths and weaknesses of many aircraft will be a large help.  You won't forget what one aircraft can/can't do.  Sure helps when facing them. :)
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2005, 04:18:16 PM »
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I started with 109s... then the F4U... shrug.

 


Yeah, but who the **** wants to be like you?

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2005, 04:58:01 PM »
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Ecliptik, are you the same guy from Eve and I think JG?  If so, whats up!  If not, whats up anyway! :D
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Hey Karash!  Yeah, that would be me.

How long have you been poking around AH?  I've played on and off for the past 3 years or so, subscribing and cancelling and resubscribing... whenever real life eats up too much time to justify the subscription I cancel and then usually end up resubscribing months later.  Haven't flown in the MA since the end of last summer.  I had to cancel my subscription due to time pressures involving a new job combined with some side work shortly after I had joined killnu's old P38 squad the 475th (sorry about that killn!).

Since then I've been waiting for ToD and flying occasionally in Pacific Fighters or H2H.  But I always like to stay on top of AH news and read the forums, especially Aircraft and Vehicles for the trivia, so you can sometimes see me here.   Otherwise you can catch me at http://www.sneakybuffalo.com

You might be interested to know that Ulysses can still be found there as well.  ;)