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Offline JBA

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« on: May 17, 2005, 09:08:20 AM »
IMO I see this happening in the US. We are moving away from the "melting pot” society and moving towards a “multicultural society”. I live in a mixed nationality home, we observe my wife’s holidays but we live our lives and rear our children to be American.

We hear cries for “Diversity”: Diversity in the schools, Diversity at work. Do we really want a country of multi- nationalism? Will it make for a health society or will it bring resentment?


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/16/making_excuses_for_bigotry/


............................. Welcome to Politically Correct World, where acts that would merit unequivocal condemnation if committed by white males are viewed in a very different light when the offenders belong to an ''oppressed group."...........................


ON APRIL 30, American journalist Chris Crain became the victim of a hate crime in Amsterdam: While walking in the street holding hands with his partner, he was savagely beaten by seven men shouting antigay slurs...........

.............Crain's attackers were reportedly Moroccan immigrants.............

''There's still an extraordinary degree of racism in Dutch society," Long opined to the gay news service PlanetOut. ''Gays often become the victims of this when immigrants retaliate for the inequities that they have to suffer."........................

The irony, of course, is that one of the principal reasons for the recent anti-immigrant backlash in the traditionally tolerant Netherlands is the fear that the influx of immigrants from deeply conservative Muslim cultures will threaten the country's liberal attitudes on social issues, particularly the rights of women and gays. (Pim Fortuyn, the maverick anti-immigrant Dutch politician assassinated in 2002, was openly gay.) This fear is shared by some immigrants -- notably, the Somali-born politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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The tension between two pillars of the modern left -- multiculturalism and progressive views on gender -- is not new. It has been particularly thorny in many European countries where, in lieu of an American-style ''melting pot" approach, immigrants have been traditionally encouraged to maintain their distinct values and ways.

.......Even feminists often balk at breaking the multicultural faith. A 2001 article in Labyrinth, a feminist philosophy journal, lamented that concerns about the oppression of women in the Third World could perpetuate ''the stereotype that 'brown' men abuse 'brown' women more than white men" and cause ''Third World" people to be perceived as ''more barbaric" than Westerners......

.............Misogyny and gay-bashing -- religiously motivated or not -- still exist in Western societies as well, though at least they are widely condemned by the mainstream culture. We should be able to say, loud and clear, that the modern values of individual rights, equality, and tolerance are better -- and just say no to multiculturalist excuses for bigotry.....
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2005, 01:23:04 PM »
Interesting read, thanks.

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2005, 01:26:06 PM »
Good point JBA and good read
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2005, 01:50:49 PM »
I like all these nice PC answers. Yep we done been indoctrinated to not speak our minds....weeeeeeeeeeee....... ..just watch the Balkinisation of amerika pick up speed........... Pull up a lawn chair and pass the beer....................so we supposed to learn aribic, swahili, spanish, chinese, tagloug, farshe, erudu, hindu, hamong, laos, vietnam, treefrog, wookie, robot, martian....this week to take our DMV eye tests?
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2005, 02:40:03 PM »
LOL bustr

I think everyone is waiting for a euro to come defend it or something.


Multiculturalism is bull****, it will be what destroys the west.

We should not allow people to imagrate that do not speak the native language and have a usable skill.

We should not have anything in the US but english on all government forms. It SHOULD be a melting pot people coming here should BE americans not Mexican american, or viking americans, irish americans etc.

You want to keep you old culture stay in your country, come to american to be an american.

In america its not OK for anyone to beat up a homo, no mater what culture you came from! =)

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 02:44:22 PM »
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Multiculturalism is bull****, it will be what destroys the west.


Yup.


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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 03:09:14 PM »
Assimulation : yes!

Integration: NO!

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2005, 04:57:32 PM »
Look at this as an exclusive country club. Because the club has standards for membership and keeps the numbers of members controlled, the club maintains the exclusive services that attracts quality members.

As soon as some ideiot on the board lowers the standards for $$$ reasons and has too many open to the public days each week, the club gets over run with people who trash it because they would not have qualified as a regular member.

If America is not kept a special place to be, then how can those who are here ever be what is special that makes us Americans? If the illegals do not assimilate into America fully, America the unique cradle of modern humanity will dissapear back into a dark ages of 3rd world failure.

Look at South Africa, find out how many times a day Cape Town, Pretoria and other cities endure power outages daily because it's no longer run by the unique people who originally created and maintained the place.

See any hoards of people wanting to move to Detroit these days? There's been an initiative going around in the city council looking at knocking down parts of the city to go back into agriculture.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2005, 05:10:54 PM »
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Look at this as an exclusive country club. Because the club has standards for membership and keeps the numbers of members controlled, the club maintains the exclusive services that attracts quality members.

As soon as some ideiot on the board lowers the standards for $$$ reasons and has too many open to the public days each week, the club gets over run with people who trash it because they would not have qualified as a regular member.

If America is not kept a special place to be, then how can those who are here ever be what is special that makes us Americans? If the illegals do not assimilate into America fully, America the unique cradle of modern humanity will dissapear back into a dark ages of 3rd world failure.

Look at South Africa, find out how many times a day Cape Town, Pretoria and other cities endure power outages daily because it's no longer run by the unique people who originally created and maintained the place.

See any hoards of people wanting to move to Detroit these days? There's been an initiative going around in the city council looking at knocking down parts of the city to go back into agriculture.


Ever been to South Africa?? I'm from there - go back twice a year - you're talking absolute HS about something you know nothing - you're a racist bigot flapping his gums and his little Klan message.

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 05:17:54 PM »
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Look at this as an exclusive country club. Because the club has standards for membership and keeps the numbers of members controlled, the club maintains the exclusive services that attracts quality members.


The only quality a club made this way  has is degeneration.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2005, 05:50:03 PM »
it was easier to make America a melting pot when most immigrants were whites from Europe :P
compared to the rest of the world, their cultureal differences are small indeed.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2005, 06:17:55 PM »
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Ever been to South Africa?? I'm from there - go back twice a year - you're talking absolute HS about something you know nothing - you're a racist bigot flapping his gums and his little Klan message.


Thats ok I was born Casablanca Morrocco, North Africa.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2005, 06:36:39 PM »
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See any hoards of people wanting to move to Detroit these days? There's been an initiative going around in the city council looking at knocking down parts of the city to go back into agriculture.


Bustr, they just have run out of places to dispose of the bodies.  Returning parts of the city to "farmland" = providing more dirt to bury bodies in.  Besides, getting rid of the buildings gives them a better field of fire.  :)

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2005, 06:38:41 PM »
By the way if you want to label someone something to "Chill" diaolog, be sure of the definition and exactly how you are using the term:

From: What is Racism?
by: Sam Dickson

full text: http://particular-baptist-1.tripod.com/Secession/racist.html

We must never forget that the term 'racist' is very new in the English language and - of far greater importance - that it was first used by none other than Leon Trotsky, Lenin's second-in-command and leading Communist mass murderer of aristocrats, clergymen, middle class Russians, and intelligent peasants and workers.
The Oxford English Dictionary [OED] is the definitive source on such subjects. It shows the first time each word in our language is known to have appeared.

The OED shows that racist first appeared around 1934 in The Russian Revolution, a book written by Leon Trotsky.

It was used in describing the Slavophiles, patriots who were proud of their Slavic roots and wanted to save these distinctive features of the Russian people and their culture in the face of desires by Leon Trotsky and others of his non-Russian background to erase all such national and racial distinctions in the name of what today would be called 'globalization' and 'modernization.'

In short, Slavophiles - the first victims of this 'racist' accusation - were people like us. We want to preserve the distinctiveness of the South, its ethnic makeup and culture. The Chamber of Commerce types, sort of a capitalist mirror image of such Communists as Trotsky, would erase both the ethnic makeup of the South through immigration plus genocide via miscegenation, and our traditional culture by substituting a standardized television culture.

Recognition of the fact that the word racist sprang from the brain of a brutal Communist mass-murderer should help us recognize it as a semantic trick.

Racist carries a double meaning by including within itself two types of people:

      · Those who believe racial differences are important and that race is significant in determining social and political policies, people who believe that diversity is best served by preserving the distinctive human races rather than homogenizing them.

· Those who perpetrate cruel crimes upon people of another race.

The two meanings, which do not belong together, are thus linked as a semantic trick which gags, and is intended to gag, public debate on such issues.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2005, 06:46:50 PM »
Schaden
 Your name fits you, how nice of you to call people names instead of talking about the issue like an adult.