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Offline Kweassa

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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2005, 08:04:37 PM »
Except you guys are starting to sound AWFULLY like the Klan, and Schaden is not.

 Seeing how the Klan loosely justifies their position on racial discrimination with religion, and the conservative rightwing Christians were the most fanatic supporters of the Nazi principle during darker times, I'd say quoting a bible-thumper's view on 'racism' is a very dangerous move to take - because it is so easy to point out the gaping flaws in their basic logic, since it is derived from the rule of absolute discrimination which doesn't require logic at all, in the first place.

 Multiple ethnicity existing in a single country, and coming up ways to loosen the tension between them, and promote mutual understanding, is a task that requires ages of concentration and effort. It's the price you pay for being an internationally recognized country, and especially for a country which justifies its political/diplomatic intervention to other states in the name of Democracy.

 Redefining racism in such a manner is a cop-out and self-denial of the very principles of your own country you guys are so proud of.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2005, 08:43:19 PM »
BS

I do not care what race the people who come here are, they can be martians or canadians for all I care. I just want them to come here and add something to America and be a part of it instead of coming here to be leaches and not try and be americans.

If that in your eyes makes me sound like a racist nazi then there is something very wrong with you

shaden didnt say a damn think he just slung insults, and you defend him?


What exactly did I say that sounds like klan or nazi BS to you?
« Last Edit: May 17, 2005, 08:48:45 PM by GtoRA2 »

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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2005, 09:28:38 PM »
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By the way if you want to label someone something to "Chill" diaolog, be sure of the definition and exactly how you are using the term................


First, I dont believe anyone could be further from the stereotypical person I think of when you use the term "racist" than bustr.  I dont know him personally, but I have met few people on this BBS or in Aces High more polite and helpful.  However, your post is missing a point bustr.  

Irregardless of the origins of the word, it has evolved through use (and overuse I'm sure) to it's current usage.  That usage is often very personal, and colored by individual experience.  More than likely, if someone is using the term, their thought processes are hardly likely to be analytical.  Certain things in your previous post probably caught Schaden's attention and triggered a response, which I'm sure he would not have repeated had he known you better, or taken the time to think about things.  

Anyway, lurking mode back on.  Back to the program.

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2005, 09:36:57 PM »
Meanigless semantics.

 The end result is always the same. Anti-immigration legislations, heavier regulations and limitations imposed upon those without 'original America' background, substatial disadvantages, and in the end, an economical/social segregation which supposedly should not be existing, except it is observable in every manner.  

 You want them to come and add something to America, and yet, you somehow think that 'America' is YOUR 'America', and only you or your peers have the right to define what 'America' is, or should be. Unfortunately, 'America' is but a name, an abstract concept which changes by the minute. With each new members of the society, new concepts, new ideas, new communities, 'America' or any other country for that matter, changes from the way it was to the way it is now.

 Simply put, you don't want it to change. You don't want neighbors who don't speak your language, who eats different foods, who has different ideas, who makes different friends. They are alien to you and the country as you know it, and thus, they must be stopped - unless they are fully assimiliated, and they lose all of their original identity to become 'Americans', they must be stopped. You don't want un-American communities changing or influencing America to become what you don't approve. Thus, you want the 'alien factor' suppressed.

 In the name of the purity of something abstract, you are ready to impose material regulations and disadvantages to those who would not be assimilated to your own ranks; it's an open invitation to Nazism and Klan mentality.

 Think of it this way.

 You may not be a racist in the fact that you don't segregate people by their skin color, but you can easily be an 'ethinicist' or 'statist' in the fact that you segregate people by their ethnicity, beliefs, mode of thinking, identity, and attitude and living styles within a country which you wish to believe that it exclusively belongs to you and your peers only, and only they have the right to define what is 'American' and what is 'Un-American'.

 The basic mentality and logic is exactly the same. The Nazis themselves had very same reasons, and very same ideas in regards to Jews. Despite all efforts, Jews so furiously resisted being fully assimilated into the base culture of the country. So in the end, they must be eliminated - literally.
 

 I'm not necessarily calling you a Nazi or Klan. But you guys are starting to sound like them. However, despite your thoughts and commentaries, I refuse to believe you or other people in these boards would ever become so cruel and insane, and want to really hurt people.

 You are simply normal folk who are worried about how things are going around. It's perfectly understandable.

 But somethings, despite all, we should try to consciously avoid and be wary of, since people can be so easily seduced to resort to extreme and simple methods of dealing with social problems. All that talk about PCness and ideas in regards to culture.. race.. equality.. liberty.. blahblahblah.. so twisted and complicated. A good ol' bang-up legislation act always looks so much more effective and straight-forward, right?
 
 Wrong.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2005, 10:01:08 PM »
BS again,

 But thank you for showing us your own line of intolerance and bigotry.

You have no clue what I want for the future of my country or what I want in neighbors, but boy are you good at making slanderous sweeping generalisations.

Try and put words in someone else mouth.

at least shaden is direct with his insults.

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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2005, 11:00:27 PM »
Lol....

So many victims ("whaaa")....

Kweassa, please apologize to GtoRA2. You said hurtful things to him. Not only does he have to deal with all this immigration crap, but now he's getting attacked on the PC side too. It's suffocating.

"First the good folks like me are under attack by all this multiculturalism crap, and now I'm getting attacked because I can't even call multiculturalism crap!"

Life's a biotch, eh?

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2005, 12:28:24 AM »
I think all this multiculturism is fine. I just don't think it's the government responsibility to support it. Government should be color, culture, and ethnic blind.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2005, 03:00:55 AM »
Atlas shrugged. Where is John Galt?

In the last century American culture put men on the moon. This planets greatest accomplishment so far. Do we move forward on the shoulders of the cultural genius that enabled such a feat, or does America become swamped with people who are only capable of indifferent curiosity, striving to turn America into a patch work of their home lands highest achievments which are still centuries to decades behind Americas highest point nearly 50 years ago?

When the children of that genius are either murdered by the ignorant hoard or have dissapered to parts unknown, will the hoard be able to decipher the hand books for how to keep the lights on at night? Who will want to be the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs for these unapreciative hoards? Their home lands are almost or are ruins, why would any of you want to give your genius and very soul of creativity to them?
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2005, 08:53:27 AM »
kwea.... I believe that the "multiculturals" are the ones sounding like the KKK..

The terms "multicultural" and "seperate but equal" are interchangeable.

The KKK couldn't have come up with a better idea to continue to foster prejudice than "multiculturalism"

just how far are spanish only speakers gonna go in America?  

Those who claim that the difference in the original euro immigrants were small are wrong... many spoke no english... most spoke such an accented one as to be instantly recognized as immigrants.   Huge campaigns against italians and irish were waged...  Scots were treated with less respect than the mules in the mines.

most euro immigrants taught their kids to learn unaccented english and to fit in.   That is really what the melting pot is about... all the cultures making one unique America...

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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2005, 12:47:07 PM »
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In short, Slavophiles - the first victims of this 'racist' accusation - were people like us. We want to preserve the distinctiveness of the South, its ethnic makeup and culture.  


What exactly is the ethnic nature and culture of the South?

Saying the word "racist" is invalid because it was coined by a commie is about as stupid as saying a peace sign doesn't mean peace cause it looks like a crows foot.

Multiculturalism isn't new. Anyone who walked the streets of Chicago in the 60's knows this. The Polish neighborhood was separate from the Italian neighborhood  etc. etc.

The owner of the corner store more than likely spoke the language of the locals.... and maybe English too.  

The big differernce today is that other races besides white folks are trying to do the same.

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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2005, 12:47:16 PM »
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First, I dont believe anyone could be further from the stereotypical person I think of when you use the term "racist" than bustr.  I dont know him personally, but I have met few people on this BBS or in Aces High more polite and helpful.  However, your post is missing a point bustr.  

Irregardless of the origins of the word, it has evolved through use (and overuse I'm sure) to it's current usage.  That usage is often very personal, and colored by individual experience.  More than likely, if someone is using the term, their thought processes are hardly likely to be analytical.  Certain things in your previous post probably caught Schaden's attention and triggered a response, which I'm sure he would not have repeated had he known you better, or taken the time to think about things.  

Anyway, lurking mode back on.  Back to the program.

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I know, but I chose to be obtuse for a reason.

In the American arena of "ideas" for the last 30 years or so, calling a person a racist, bigot, homophobe, woman or child abuser or any of these accusations of moral illness has been all it took to shame people of none Liberal ideology to silence. I am none of the above and have no reason to leave the arena. For what reason should I retire in the face of a person who is intellectually and non-insparationaly this dull?

Using such purial verbal harassment thinking it will fashion a lable to me that will trigger the traditional American guilt response is lame......................... ...................I notice he dosen't live in South Africa full time and try to get everyone he knows or interacts with to immigrate to this Southern African garden spot.

And I don't attempt to sell Detroit to anyone either................
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2005, 12:59:06 PM »
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Thats ok I was born Casablanca Morrocco, North Africa.



What the hell does have to do with anything?  It's not okay if you were shooting your mouth off about a country you don't know anything about.



Thrawn:  Blah blah blah, Mobile sucks because it doesn't have any elephants.

Guy from Mobile:  You're full of ****, I'm from Mobile and we do so have elephants.

Thrawn:  That's ok I was born Ottawa Ontario, North America.

Guy from Mobile:  WTF??!!
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2005, 02:23:50 PM »
MT.. you are correct in that there were/are... ethnic neighborhoods in America...And... they are fine if you never want to get anywhere past those few square blocks of ethnic security... Kids were encouraged to get out by melting into society...

Now... we have generations of people being encouraged to stay mired in the culture they left and never getting anywhere... that is todays "multiculturalism"  it is Americans and... all the dummies who won't fit in.

The KKK probly had something to do with it but short of David Duke I don't think they had anyone smart enough to come up with the scheme.

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