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Offline Gooss

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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2005, 08:32:20 PM »
I fly the Hog sometimes.  It takes a good long burst to shoot down another plane.

My convergence is 350.  I fire when the icon distance clicks from to 400 to 200.

Anything that's not a dead six kill is gravy.  I hope a deflection shot will damage the plane.  I'm more likely to do serious damage to a wing than to a fuselage.

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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2005, 09:40:42 AM »
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Yes, with "surgery" aiming an lots, really lots of ammo and time, and, of course, from a still ground placement. I bet that pilot never cut anything with any kind of airborne MG, much less at 800 yards.


I guess you decided to only selectivly read what I wrote.

The pilot was a REAL - ACTUAL member of the Blacksheep squadron and flew in REAL - ACTUAL combat with Pappy Boyington in the Pacific.

These guys not only blew Zekes out of the air with great success, they also were very prolific at attacking ground targets all over the Pacific, so I would believe that he does have significant experiences in attacking ground target ... much more than you and I.

I believe what he said and there is no reason in the world not to believe what he said.
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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2005, 10:49:53 AM »
SlapShot, I tend to believe what he meant is simply that he was able to destroy targets at 800 yards with 50s, quite different than really cutting something big in half, unless you hit something that explodes. Of course, hitting wood instead of metal will produce quite different results.
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« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2005, 11:02:40 AM »
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SlapShot, I tend to believe what he meant is simply that he was able to destroy targets at 800 yards with 50s, quite different than really cutting something big in half, unless you hit something that explodes. Of course, hitting wood instead of metal will produce quite different results.

I agree.

His statement seems to be an exageration intended to enforce the idea of how effective the .50 cals were.
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« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2005, 11:18:23 AM »
50 cals really really really suck.  That is why the US desided to use them .  And they lost the war and we all speak German and Japo . . ..   wait a minute?:confused:
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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2005, 12:55:52 PM »
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50 cals really really really suck.  That is why the US desided to use them .  And they lost the war and we all speak German and Japo . . ..   wait a minute?:confused:

Where has anybody claimed they suck in this thread, other than the seriously misinformed OP?
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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2005, 01:14:04 PM »
not reading all the posts so it may have been said already...

if you want to see the hitting power of 50cals, go furballing in an SBD, it pwns.
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« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2005, 06:25:06 PM »
I wish I had a nickel for every post Ive seen in the last few years that trivialized something that a WW2 pilot said....
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« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2005, 06:31:37 PM »
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I wish I had a nickel for every post Ive seen in the last few years that trivialized something that a WW2 pilot said....


I was at a loss for words ... you seemed to have filled in perfectly.
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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2005, 07:13:11 PM »
What else do you believe?

 P-47 pilots swearing that they bounced .50s and penetrated Tiger tanks from the underneath? I suppose you believe that also. We shan't "trivialize" what they say, no?
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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2005, 07:24:25 PM »
We could ask Straigaa........
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« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2005, 08:36:27 AM »
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What else do you believe?

 P-47 pilots swearing that they bounced .50s and penetrated Tiger tanks from the underneath? I suppose you believe that also. We shan't "trivialize" what they say, no?


The difference is that I saw and heard this guy who was filmed during an actual interview ... I have never seen any P-47 pilot interviewed and filmed stating that they bounced .50s and penetrated Tiger tanks from underneath ... if you have, then please direct me to where I can see and hear an actual p-47 combat pilot say that.
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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2005, 09:53:15 AM »
So if someone films a vet then you should believe his every word literally, but if its not filmed it cannot be believed?

 Strange piece of logic you have there, Slap. Almost as strange as "ripping a box car in half with .50s"

 What's most strange is, you take the guy's every word literally, without having to require him to show any kind of photo/footage evidence to back up such a claim.. and yet you ask me for an interview and film for one of the most popularly circulated WW2 myths of all time concerning the .50s.

 In that case I would also, really like to see a guncam footage or recording, that shows 6x .50s ripping objects in half - literally. Not just tattering them with enormous amount of shots, but word for word, "in half", with surgical precision like Mando commented.
 
 I'm pretty sure 6x .50s would probably be able to tatter an unarmoured target into a piece of rag with certain lengths of fire, but I find it extremely unlikely 6x .50s mounted on the wings, extremely sensitive to convergence issues, can just swoop on top of a boxcar and "rip it in half" in a strafing run. The dispersion pattern alone does not allow that kind of damage to occur.
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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2005, 11:13:41 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2005, 11:42:21 AM »
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Where has anybody claimed they suck in this thread, other than the seriously misinformed OP?


 It is you who are misinformed sir. I am relating what actually happened to me in the game. The aircraft I have engaged all seem immune to the .50 cal. rounds. Maybe it was rubber bullets on multiple occassions, or maybe it was a modelling problem, I do not know. I do know however I shot down a 51 the other day in the D-hog, from the same range, around 400yds & those .50's tore it to bits at nearly the same angle as the last encounter that did nothing. I have a .50 - I fire it - & I know what it will do. As far as bouncing .50's off a road & into a tanks belly to kill it, I think I would have to see it to believe it. I do know a .50 cal strafing run up the 6 of anything but the heaviest armour of WWII would damage it,I have seen the gun camera footage of the hits & subsequent smoked engine as the pilot strafed the bailed crew.

 I say the round is under-modeled in this game when a panzers pintle gun does more damage at 400yds than a .50 cal pintle on an M-3 & thats just one instance of the problem I have encountered. It has happened numerous times, & since you are not attached to me, haven't had any problems, & I have no film, I think this thread should just die already.
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