Author Topic: So democracy rules in Iraq - a good job done..... (Read 2593 times)

Sparks · « **on:** May 18, 2005, 11:22:11 PM »

I really am tired of all the hype and fiction about democracy in Iraq and "The War on Terror"

I think this collection about sums up where this is going:-

1. Iraq heading for civil war.

Noticing things turning nasty the administration starts to cozy up:-

Little published visit by Saudi Crown Prince

Of course the Crown Prince is a stalwart of democracy and tolerance of non-islamic views ...........

The Crown Prince

How it all links together :-
"Sleeping with the Devil" - Robert Baer ISBN 1-4000-5268-8

The more I watch the news and look for the less publicised bits like the Saudi Crown Prince visit, the more it all fits

Nash · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2005, 11:54:45 PM »

I'm getting the distinct impression that the darkest scenario, out of all the possible invasion result scenarios - including rose parades - is happening now.

Americans aren't getting killed because they invaded. They're getting killed because they are in the way.

Time to trade in the camo for ref jerseys.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #2 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:11:18 AM »

I remember hearing somwhere that the estimated time for things to completely calm down in Iraq is around 12 years.

We've been there two.

This instant gratification society we have really cracks me up sometimes as though someone is supposed to wave a magic wand and overnight everything is supposed to be ok.

Sorry kid. dont work that way

Nash · « **Reply #3 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:15:50 AM »

Yes, you are, of course quite correct DREDIOCK.

I think anyone who looks at things in Iraq in a negative light obviously hasn't done the research. I mean, come on, history is repleat with examples of Western armies invading the Middle East.

Any bozo can plug the data into Excel and it always comes up: "12 years."

To the naysayers - learn at computers you haters!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:22:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Yes, you are, of course quite correct DREDIOCK.

I think anyone who looks at things in Iraq in a negative light obviously hasn't done the research. I mean, come on, history is repleat with examples of Western armies invading the Middle East.

Any bozo can plug the data into Excel and it always comes up: "12 years."

To the naysayers - learn at computers you haters!

Agreed Nash and DRED.

Karaya

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #5 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:24:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Yes, you are, of course quite correct DREDIOCK.

I think anyone who looks at things in Iraq in a negative light obviously hasn't done the research. I mean, come on, history is repleat with examples of Western armies invading the Middle East.

Any bozo can plug the data into Excel and it always comes up: "12 years."

To the naysayers - learn at computers you haters!

Actually I saw it on CNBC. Forget who said it but some expert or so he was called claimed that that was pretty much the average time it takes.

reguardless. As I said. its only been 2 years.
Everyone wants and expects that immediate gratification. And if it doesnt happen immediately or over night at the longest they deem something a failour.
It just dont work that way. Never has. Never will.

Nash · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:27:42 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually I saw it on CNBC. Forget who said it but some expert or so he was called claimed that that was pretty much the average time it takes.

The average time, eh? Based on past invasions of Iraq?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:48:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
The average time, eh? Based on past invasions of Iraq?

Noo he was historically speaking, based on past wars where there was regime changes.

You and Airhead long lost twins or something?

Gixer · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:56:51 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I remember hearing somwhere that the estimated time for things to completely calm down in Iraq is around 12 years.

We've been there two.

Question is though how long is the US willing/able to wait for it to "calm down" politically,financially or both at the current rate. 12 years??? As it's proving to be far more costly in every regard then when first sold/duped to the US public.

~~...-Gixer~~

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:58:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Question is though how long is the US willing/able to wait for it to "calm down" politically,financially or both at the current rate. 12 years??? As it's proving to be far more costly in every regard then when first sold/duped to the US public.

~~...-Gixer~~

good question. Unfortunately only time holds the answer.
but nobody in their right mind could assume that things were just going to change overnight. Or in only a year or two.

Nash · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:59:48 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Noo he was historically speaking, based on past wars where there was regime changes.

Oh, duh... My bad (waves to Lazs).

See, I got the 'Past Wars That Don't Look Like Current Wars and How They Relate to Current Wars That Don't Look Like Past Wars' data CD in the mail, but I forgot to subscribe before the demo timed out. I feel like such an idiot.

Had I subscribed... like, duh, totally... Twelve years!

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2005, 01:01:11 AM »

Cept maybe Nash

Nash · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2005, 01:10:24 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Cept maybe Nash

Well no, I didn't expect things to get better overnight.

Fact is - I didn't expect things to get better at all, one bit, as a result of the invasion. Not overnight, not in twelve years, not with a fork, not with a cork not in a box and not with socks.

So feh to you.

Fishu · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2005, 01:16:03 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I remember hearing somwhere that the estimated time for things to completely calm down in Iraq is around 12 years.

This instant gratification society we have really cracks me up sometimes as though someone is supposed to wave a magic wand and overnight everything is supposed to be ok.

Another thing is whether rest of the americans are aware that it can take 10 years of commitment.
The adrenalin is finally evaporating from the people and they've realised the reality; it will drain money, americans will be dying there and it is not going end in two weeks.

For the USA's sake, it is very important that Iraq will become a truly democratic and peaceful nation in the middle east.
A truly free Iraq would be the most effective way to calm down things in the middle east.

Gixer · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2005, 01:42:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
For the USA's sake, it is very important that Iraq will become a truly democratic and peaceful nation in the middle east.
A truly free Iraq would be the most effective way to calm down things in the middle east.

Yes but the question brought up numerous times before the war was whether a country like Iraq with it's many different factions ever able to be governed by a democracy?

I think this is a very interesting article on this question.

http://www.globalengage.org/issues/2004/08/iraq.htm

~~...-Gixer~~