Author Topic: Ban / Boycott Bmw! (Read 762 times)

bigsky · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2005, 01:19:14 PM »

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Fish ON!

1K3 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2005, 02:00:23 PM »

gee why can't BMW make something EXTRAVAGANT that is also PRACTICAL...

(iDrive's the worst feature ever implemented by BMW)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2005, 02:50:59 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
gee why can't BMW make something EXTRAVAGANT that is also PRACTICAL...

(iDrive's the worst feature ever implemented by BMW)

Anyone who drives a slushy (automatic) should be riding the bus. Stick shifters rule the world!

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2005, 03:14:38 PM »

This one's a fighter....

beet1e · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:03:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Anyone who drives a slushy (automatic) should be riding the bus. Stick shifters rule the world!

Bollocks.

I've driven both, owned both, like both. I'm interested in the new Audi/VW "DSG" gearbox - a 2-pedal system but with a pushbutton gear change...

Skuzzy · « **Reply #20 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:06:15 PM »

Let out a little more line,...let him run a bit....

BMW is as good as any other car. All of them have quirks. If you know them and are willing to do what it takes to satisfy the quirks, then it is all good.
There are very few well made automatic transmissions around. When I say that, I am meaning in the context of strength and longevity of a good standard gear box.

beet1e · « **Reply #21 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:22:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
There are very few well made automatic transmissions around. When I say that, I am meaning in the context of strength and longevity of a good standard gear box.

Well, you have to have them serviced. In the US, you have Aamco. Here, the dealer does it. I had a Toyota Supra 3.0-turbo automatic for 6½ years - the automatic gave no problems, even after 84,000 miles.

However, many years ago the Swedish police force switched to automatics - the reason being that there would be less wear and tear on them, ie. better longevity.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:45:54 PM »

Any of them can be abused and it all depends on who made the standard as well. There are some lousy standard, as well as lousy automatics on the market.

My automatic Infinity I30 has over 130,000 miles on it, and has never had a single problem, of any kind. The fluid and filter have been replaced twice.

The wife's Volvo S60 has over 80,000 miles and no problems with its automatic either.

However, if it is a Honda, then it will be a standard. The Honda slush box sucks.

It just depends on who built them. Some companies make better automatics than standards and vice-versa.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:49:11 PM »

The automatic vs. stick arguement is as old as the automobile itself. But basically it comes down to women. If you bought an automatic, its because your significant other forced you to. Real men drive stick shifts.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #24 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:50:32 PM »

Hey Rip, ever tried to drive a Taurus with a stick? If you did, you would ammend that statement.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #25 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:55:56 PM »

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Hey Rip, ever tried to drive a Taurus with a stick? If you did, you would ammend that statement.

Okay, there *are* exceptions to this rule.

GreenCloud · « **Reply #26 on:** May 23, 2005, 05:27:00 PM »

if you dont have a sequential gear box..you are not really driving

beet1e · « **Reply #27 on:** May 23, 2005, 05:39:11 PM »

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It just depends on who built them. Some companies make better automatics than standards and vice-versa.

I didn't think the car maker built them. I thought they used assemblies by companies like ZF and Borg-Warner.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2005, 12:55:39 AM »

Beet1e if they changed to auto for longevity, it was for the longevity of the engine not the gearbox.

The automatic gears will force the driver into a certain range of revs which are generally more accepted by the engine. With manual gears drivers use revs which wear the engine.

Any manual gearbox will beat any auto in durability anytime. Auto boxes need frequent oil and filter changes, they wear discs, they can't take 400+hp without extensive modifications etc. You can destroy an auto very very quickly with the wrong kind of use.

The worst you can get is those new 'tiptronic' autos which will fail after 100-150 000km and cost a measly $15000 to replace.

1K3 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2005, 01:34:12 AM »

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The worst you can get is those new 'tiptronic' autos which will fail after 100-150 000km and cost a measly $15000 to replace.

$15,000???