Headons and Running

[SPQR]

Excellent post! should be a sticky. hehe. I will never fly the way the enemy wants me to. But, most of the time, I will turn fight in my 109 to see how good the turn fighter is and see just how far I can push my 109 outside the envelope and pick up experience about that plane i just fought. That said, I'll take any shot that presents itself and keeps me ALIVE! My rules: outnumbered: HO shot; Countrymen in trouble: HO shot if needed; 1vs1: Fight until best shot presents itself, if HO shot: taking it!

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by dedalos
Alternatively, you could try and reverse on the guy.  But it would require you to know how.  And to know how you will have to try.  And if you try you will die untill you learn.  But when you learn, you will see a guy 1K behind you and start smiling because you will know what is about to happen to him.  I preffer 1.5K for a reverse but 1K is fine too.  Do I die? yes, a lot.  But half the times who ever was chasing is left thinking WTF happened?

I do reverse a lot. I win some and I lose some. About 50% ratio. 1.5, yeah, I will reverse on him. 1k I will at times too. Believe me no fear of dying here at all. If I'm no where near friendlies of a friendly base I will reverse just out of boredom. My point is, don't complain about the runners, just don't chase them. Reposition and be ready when/if they do return.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by dedalos
Alternatively, you could try and reverse on the guy.  But it would require you to know how.  And to know how you will have to try.  And if you try you will die untill you learn.  But when you learn, you will see a guy 1K behind you and start smiling because you will know what is about to happen to him.  I preffer 1.5K for a reverse but 1K is fine too.  Do I die? yes, a lot.  But half the times who ever was chasing is left thinking WTF happened?
 

Yup, 1k is plenty of room to turn around a fight.

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
My point is, don't complain about the runners, just don't chase them. Reposition and be ready when/if they do return.

Only problem I have with this is normally the "runner" only comes back when he has friends and alt. If he does come back without the friends/alt it's only to zoom in again and run off. Taking the La7 vs Spit example, the La7 shouldn't have to run/extend. If the La7 is smart he'll just use his speed in the verticle and rope the spit. Failing that, he is easily sitting above the spit now and can deal with him as he sees best. It's the same arguement that's been going on forever. Furballers hate getting cherried or BnZed while the guys in the BnZ planes get tired of hearing the furballers whine about it. Who's right... well IMO I am:p  And that's all it is, a bunch of opinions.

BTW Clifra, want to make it clear that I'm not saying the "runner" is you. I'm just stating how I see things most of the time in the MA.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by SPQR
Excellent post! should be a sticky. hehe. I will never fly the way the enemy wants me to. But, most of the time, I will turn fight in my 109 to see how good the turn fighter is and see just how far I can push my 109 outside the envelope and pick up experience about that plane i just fought. That said, I'll take any shot that presents itself and keeps me ALIVE! My rules: outnumbered: HO shot; Countrymen in trouble: HO shot if needed; 1vs1: Fight until best shot presents itself, if HO shot: taking it!

I was wondering who that HO'ing 109 was!   hee hee

[DieAz]

Originally posted by dedalos

It like when xxxx asked me in the DA if I was going to chase him for ever.  He was in a LA7 and I was in a spitV.  He said he was not turning back cause thats not what LA7s are made to do, so I broke off.

that guy in the La7 has no idea, what a La7 can do.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Filth, stop talking like an adult. We're all five year olds* once we enter the MA... or at least, it feels like it.


*- In Furball's case... that'd be 3 year old.

if i was old enough to read, you would be in serious trouble now mr.frenchy....!

[FiLtH]

Thanks doobs great fightin ya!  That ki61 is a bear to get to know where the lead is headed though. My aim in all planes is lacking...unless I play everyday in the same plane.

    As for the runners who come back when they get friends in the area...chock that up to SA...perhaps we all should cut and run sometimes..even if we arent in a runner type plane. I know I often put more stock in my flying than my feeble wrist/brain is willing to give...and pay the price. But...if I took the time to glance at the map, and think "Hmm..Ive got 2 kills...and not many friendlies around...and I see enemy dots on the horizon..maybe I should take her to the barn!"... I might live more. Its always the "1 more kill" that gets me. Or a tree

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by FiLtH
As for the runners who come back when they get friends in the area...chock that up to SA...perhaps we all should cut and run sometimes..even if we arent in a runner type plane. I know I often put more stock in my flying than my feeble wrist/brain is willing to give...and pay the price. But...if I took the time to glance at the map, and think "Hmm..Ive got 2 kills...and not many friendlies around...and I see enemy dots on the horizon..maybe I should take her to the barn!"... I might live more. Its always the "1 more kill" that gets me. Or a tree

Yeah some like to survive and/or leave when things start looking bad and theres nuthin wrong with that, it's how you play. But I'm that "1 more kill" type. Regardless of whats coming at me, I'll go right into it hoping to get 1 or 2 more before I go down. Some might say that's not flying smart but I have a heck of a lot of fun doing it. About the only time I return to base is ammo, fuel or crippling damage(1/2 a wing). And only if my leaving will not put anyone else on my side in trouble. But as I stated, everyone plays their own way and to each their own.


PS: Filth, you gonna make anymore Pizza guy movies? They are hilarious

[FiLtH]

LOL Dud...u play like me sounds like!  May make some more Pizza Guys later on this summer. Been real busy

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by SuperDud

BTW Clifra, want to make it clear that I'm not saying the "runner" is you. I'm just stating how I see things most of the time in the MA.

I don't ussually fly planes that can even think about running. I may up an LA7 at a capped field but running in that situation is not an option. Not saying I've never done it, just isn't an option most of the time. My new tactic when in trouble is to head for the trees. Yes, I know it kinda gamey praying on the poor FPS guys but, What the h311.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by FiLtH
Thanks doobs great fightin ya!  That ki61 is a bear to get to know where the lead is headed though. My aim in all planes is lacking...unless I play everyday in the same plane.

    As for the runners who come back when they get friends in the area...chock that up to SA...perhaps we all should cut and run sometimes..even if we arent in a runner type plane. I know I often put more stock in my flying than my feeble wrist/brain is willing to give...and pay the price. But...if I took the time to glance at the map, and think "Hmm..Ive got 2 kills...and not many friendlies around...and I see enemy dots on the horizon..maybe I should take her to the barn!"... I might live more. Its always the "1 more kill" that gets me. Or a tree

Yeah, can't tell you how many times I've done that. Twice last night I can say for sure. Had a 3 kill sortie last night I should've took home, got the forth and seconds later BAM I'm dead. Oh well, it was fun that's for sure.

[Kweassa]

Frankly, the only guys that have any right to complain about "runners" is those who use planes that are both slower, AND maneuvers worse than the enemy plane.

[Saintaw]

^^ that's any plane I am flying

[Clifra Jones]

I stand by my comment about the fat girls.

Last night, not some, not most, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of the enemy I merged with fired on the merge.

Like I said, we all do it, we just don't want to admit it. If you chivalrous warriors are out there, I guess I'm just not finding you.

So therefor, if it looks like I'm not going to be able to avoid the close head on pass, guess what, I'm firing, experience dictates that I can not assume the other will not.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
I stand by my comment about the fat girls.

Last night, not some, not most, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of the enemy I merged with fired on the merge.

Like I said, we all do it, we just don't want to admit it. If you chivalrous warriors are out there, I guess I'm just not finding you.

So therefor, if it looks like I'm not going to be able to avoid the close head on pass, guess what, I'm firing, experience dictates that I can not assume the other will not.

Not true.  Will never fire or even think about aiming for the HO, unless I am cornered.  Meaning, no other option (like gear still down, comming out of a turn and seeing the other guy firing, etc).  Now, if you are in 202 and I am in 110, weeeeellllll, what can I say.  Fat girls are not that bad sometimes