"They Burned Tillman's Uniform,"

[Shane]

Originally posted by NUKE
Sirloin, let's review the republican thirst for war.

1. WWI. Wilsen, democrat
2. WWII Roosevelt, democrat
3. Korea, Truman, deomcrat
4. Bay of Pigs, Kennedy, democrat
5. Vietnam, Kennedy, democrat
6. Bosnia, Clinton, democrat
7. Somalia, Clinton, dempocrat.
Republicans really are hellbent on war
dipchit.

here's a comprehensive list of US military actions you can knock yourselves out researching and debating who was responsible for US military involvement - remember, only congress can declare war and has done so only on 5 occasions, 1812 War of, 1846 - Mexican War, 1898 Spanish-American War, 1917 WW1, 1941 WW2:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H29C2592B  for list of military actions

http://clerk.house.gov/histHigh/Congressional_History/partyDiv.html  historical composition of the House of Representatives

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm historical composition of the US Senate

you can google your own damn president's list.

have fun. there will be a test.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Gixer
Heoric sacrafice because as a pro sportsman you have a lifestyle that others are envious of? Whether a person is a street cleaner or a million dollar sportsman they are both making the same level of sacrafice, it's relative at a personal level to that person. They are both putting their lives on the line and whether they are worth ten dollars or ten million it's irelevant to the cost of a human life.

In your opinion you see Tillman as sacraficing more then the next guy just because he has a sports career and money which is incorrect. And more a point of your envy that he had that rather then anything to do with personal heroic sacrafice.


...-Gixer

It is obviously clear that you still don't get my position. Here we go again .

He sacrificed far more than the avg enlistee when he volunteered.
I would concider his sacrifice of his childhood dream of a career just as heroic had he volunteered for the fire dept, police dept, becoming a teacher, doctor, etc.
The street sweeper doesn't grow up wanting that as a career and is not near the level of the same type of sacrifice that Tillman did by giving up for good his NFL career.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with his dying as those who volunteer have every intention of surviving their military service.
I've held this belief since the beginning.
His sacrifice of what was his dream of a career given up to enlist was heroic.
I don't know of others who've made the same move. Do you? Would you do the same? Anyone else here on this BBS do the same?
It's a rare thing he did.
BTW, I don't envy his wealth and/or his NFL career anymore than you do.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by SaburoS

He sacrificed far more than the avg enlistee when he volunteered.
 

  That`s just plain old country BS.
He sacrificed no more  nor less than anyone else who ever enlisted.

The street sweeper doesn't grow up wanting that as a career and is not near the level of the same type of sacrifice that Tillman did by giving up for good his NFL career.

  That`s a big assumption. There are still people out there , as strange as it seems, that have dreams for their life of doing and honest days work for an honest dollar and living their lives without the limelight or the overglamorized, overrated fame. Just honest, every day folks that make the world tick and actualy do something that contributes to everyone.

  If the street sweeper enlists, he gives up his life and livelyhood to serve his country. It means just as much to him as an NFL career. It is his life. Same goes for anyone who enlists to serve, no matter who they may be nor what they do for a living.
  The street sweeper, which is not a bad thing, is working in an honest, non pampereed, down to earth career to support himself and family. It is his livelyhood. Honest work for an honest wage. Can`t say that for the NFL.

His sacrifice of what was his dream of a career given up to enlist was heroic.

  True that, just like the thousands before him that risked their lives and some of which lost them in the process to serve in something they believed to be a worthy cause. It doesn`t matter whothey are, or what they did for a living or a career. The exact same sacrifice is given by all. It has absolutely nothing, zilch, nada to do with the NF friggen L.

[Gixer]

Jackal,

Thanks for understanding  the point I was trying to make. Thought it strange to be out on my own on that one.


...-Gixer

[SaburoS]

What sacrifices are given up in order to enlist in the military?
I find it an honorable profession that one can take great personal pride in. I'd bet many who've served didn't consider it a sacrifice to enlist, as a matter of fact there are many benefits in joining the military.

Tillman sacrificed more in his decision to enlist over the avg enlistee.

Many that get to the level of playing for a professional sports team and get paid millions for doing so have reached a rare level in that sport.
The person that makes it to that level usually didn't just decide on that as a career, but was from an early childhood desire and continued hard work/training to reach that level. If they're lucky, they can get maybe ten years of playing at that top level before  having to give it up.

Tillman gave all that up, his life-long dream for enlisting and serving in the military. Had he survived his military career, he'd forever given up his childhood dream of playing in the NFL with all its fame, glory, and riches (FWIW, I'm not big into the pro sports thing, just recognizing his giving up what he loved). With his contract, he could have retired early and do what ever he wished.

Now you want to say the street sweeper (or ________ <--fill in your own job choice here) sacrifices the same in his decision to enlist? The military is not a prison sentence as it is a career of honor and pride. There are many benefits in joining the military.

The street sweeper doesn't grow up wanting to be one. He doesn't have to train and put in long hours to become a "premiere" professional street sweeper. After he retires from the military, he can go right back on being the street sweeper if he so chooses.

This isn't even a close one. Remove the labels, the two aren't even close.

What Tillman did was a very rare and uncommon thing.

[Jackal1]

Like I said...plain ole country BS.
His "sacrifice" was no less nor greater than anyone else who serves.

[parker00]

Now you want to say the street sweeper (or ________ <--fill in your own job choice here) sacrifices the same in his decision to enlist?

I will use father to fill in that spot and yes they give up much more than any athlete no matter how much they make.

[dirtbag]

Self moderating

[Airhead]

Originally posted by GScholz3
Bingo.

Expect this post to disappear too.

LOL You poor poor mistreated baby. If you hurry you can post three anti American rants and call five posters names before Skuzzy bops the mole once more.