Was this Law really just passed in Norway?

[bustr]

The Norwegian Inquisition - Sunset in the Land of the Midnight Sun


Stortinget, the Norwegian parliament, in April 2005 passed a new Discrimination Act. The act says in pretty clear words that in cases of suspected direct or indirect discrimination due to religion or ethnicity, Norwegians are guilty until proven otherwise. To me, it is surprising that they are allowed to pass such legislation at all. Isn't it a fundamental part of all international law that a person should be innocent until proven otherwise? Aren't our politicians thus depriving Norwegians of even the most basic human rights? However, I have heard claims that it is technically legal to do this. The act was passed in April with the approval of all parties in parliament, more than 80 % of MPs, with the sole exception of the right-wing Progress Party. Immigration spokesman for the Progress Party, Per Sandberg, is deeply disappointed and fears the consequences of the new legislation. "This law will jeopardize the rights of ordinary, law-abiding Norwegian citizens. The principle of reverse burden of proof means that Norwegians are guilty of discrimination unless they can prove otherwise. It will lead to many convictions of innocent people. Reverse burden of proof is also combined with liability to pay compensation, which means that innocent persons risk having to pay huge sums for things they didn't do."

Rest of text: http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/05/norwegian-inquisition-sunset-in-land.html

"Guilty untill proven innocent"??????????

[GRUNHERZ]

Norway sounds like a terrible place, full of evil war criminals and laws depriving her citizens of civil rights and they dont even have an evil dictator like bush or even a 911 as an excuse. I guess it's jhust the way they are.

I think it's liberation time!

[Hangtime]

LOL!!

I mean, oh; darn.

Ok, now that the knee-jerk reaction is dealt with; I seem to recall that some years back in Norway there was an 'anti-gypsy' movement (for want of the correct name) where folks who didn't conform to the nordic ideal were subject to summary institutionalization, lobotomys and castration.. or any combination of the foregoing. All of this was outlawed by the 1980's, and restitution proceedings for the survivors have been working their way thru the courts.

Is it possible this is just the pendjulum swinging a bit too far in the other direction?

I need some help here.. the story seems kinda slanted (most of the info on the internet these days seems to be slanted to enhance some nut case or others agenda) and once the hype is carved off, the bones don't seem to make up much of a skeleton.

Any help Nils; Airguard?? What's this bloggers beef?

[Airhead]

WTF is going on up there?

All I can say is Chief Nuk Nuk, the Grand Poobah of Norway, is every bit as ruthless as Sadaam Hussien was when you compare the treatment thier subjects recieved- the Kurds vs the Gypsies- and, now that the sun is rising on thier Evil Ice Kingdom after six months of darkness, I fervently hope we put Norway in thier proper place of terrist Nations- which is between N. Korea and France.

[Hangtime]

Whaaaaa... France is on the bottom[/i] of the list?

Was there a memo or something while I was out?

[Siaf__csf]

Ok, now that the knee-jerk reaction is dealt with; I seem to recall that some years back in Norway there was an 'anti-gypsy' movement (for want of the correct name)

Provide a link, couldn't google anything about that.

The law is nothing but political correctness taken to extreme.

[Hangtime]

Ethnic Cleansing in Scandinavia

Norway Compensates Lobotomy Victims

[Siaf__csf]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Ethnic Cleansing in Scandinavia

Norway Compensates Lobotomy Victims

From your link:

Norway, and the rest of Scandinavia, were not the only places where racist ideas were transformed into practical politics. From 1911 to 1930 similar laws were passed in 33 states in the USA. From 1911 to 1950, 60,000 people were sterilised on eugenic grounds in the USA.

What were you saying again?

[Hangtime]

Yup. Outlawed 1950 but ended as an 'eugenics' crutch in the 30's.. not a pleasant piece of american history.
 
Norway on the other hand was a mite more enthusiastic.. the program really got going AFTER the war; topping out in the 1960's and 70's. Law didn't come off the books till 1988.

Care to explain a happy lil Norweigan Concentration Camp called Svanviken, finally closed down in 1986?

Now, clue here.. this ain't a Norway mudraking tour.. it's a rational set of questions regarding some difficult to comprehend social issues in Scandinavia. If ya wanna muck rake, I'll keep meetin yah head on.. if ah wanna enlightin us, please do.

[Siaf__csf]

Care to explain lil concentration camp in Guantanamo? That's leading nowhere.

What the gypsy propaganda site presented was probably a recuperation center for substance abusers:

http://home.online.no/~knutso/gospel04.html

18 years in darkness

Heidi and Vidar Larsen, in their early thirties, were one of the first married couples who came to the new centre for families called "Svanviken" in the district of Eide. They share with us below, how they have used some of the ½best+ years of their lives.

We lived as alcoholics for 18 years of our lives. As we look back now, in a sober condition, we realise it was like a hell on earth.

Red spirit, window screen liquid, beer and spirits, were our daily meals, often instead of food. We lost our flat very early on and had to give up the right to the responsibility as parents for our children. Life in prison was not unknown to us and we experienced many periods in the drunk cell and in hospital.

We received money from the Social Welfare Office, but this didn't last us long, and the next thing was housebreaking and violence. It became so bad in the end that our district no longer wanted to have anything to do with us, and the police chased after us.

[Hangtime]

Yup; nowhere. Again, this ain't a muckraking ride.. cool yer jets, Siaf. I'd rather this thread didn't get locked.

Anybody else wanna take a stab at the original question?

Just what in heck is up with the whacky sounding 'descrimination act' the blogger on the first post in this thread is wailing about?

..and 'political correctness' doesn't sound like Norway's style.

Thanks for a reasoned reply!

[Nilsen]

Bustr... what you are reading is a blog so take it for what it is.

Hangtime... last time around you linked to svik.org, and now monitor?

Your post about Sandviken is abit more interesting tho. It is far from a consentration camp, but it was pretty bad. The purpose of the place was to put people there that broke a law we had that said that it was illegal to wander the streets without a job, money or a place to live. This affected the Romani people pretty hard. They were often criminals but far from always and this is perhaps not something we should be proud of.

[rpm]

Nils, please accept my apologies for the arsehats on a Norway bashing binge. I am truly disgusted and embarrased.  

[Hangtime]

Thanks buddy.. I'ts been hard to sort thru the BS; seems all web info has a 'slant'. Made no sense to me at first.. and it's why gettin' the straight scoop from 'sources on the ground' beats the hell outta readin the papers or watching telemetry from KH11's.

Maybe the pentagon should give it a try.

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by bustr

"Guilty untill proven innocent"??????????

There are a few countries which base their legal system on that concept
 
 Tronsky