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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2005, 01:15:49 AM »
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If she wants to get her son drunk or get her son a stripper most people don't see a problem with it.  but the fact that she had OTHER PEOPLES KIDS involved is what makes this bad for me.  


Agreed.

Too bad it doesnt mention what the other parents had to say.
I guess it is possible she contacted them and cleared it with them first but it doesnt say one way or the other.

Pretty safe bet they wouldnt admit it if they were though
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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2005, 01:36:54 AM »
I never realised Virgil was one of "THOSE". (THOSE being an anal retentive yokel in this case.) Teenagers saw boobies. Oh, the horror...THE HORROR!
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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2005, 02:19:23 AM »
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I never realised Virgil was one of "THOSE". (THOSE being an anal retentive yokel in this case.) Teenagers saw boobies. Oh, the horror...THE HORROR!


You REALLY have no idea who or what you're talking about. You don't get it, and you likely never will. There are a FEW here who know me, and know well enough that I'm no prude, far from it. You on the other hand, do not know me at all. If you did, you'd know better.
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2005, 09:56:44 AM »
I guess i like being one of "THOSE" guys that at least TRY to keep sex away from my kids as long as possible. Hell my 4 yr old has probably already seen boobs on tv but that doesn't mean I am going to encourage it. What is wrong with wanting (even if they don't listen) your children to stay away from sex as long as possible? You guys have not seen a real stripper apparently because you would all know they do a lot more than show their boobs while at your house. I would almost rather the lady take my kid to an actual tittie bar (juice bar) where i know they at least have rules about what can happen. Most times they don't get completely naked at a bar but at your house i've seen some that would probably use the table leg if you let them. And it still all boils down to the fact that this lady decided what would be best for someone else's kids. No big deal if it was just her kids but it wasn't. Just like she asked who the government was to tell her what she could do with her kids, then i would like to know who she thought she was to include other people's kids. If all the other parents said it was ok, then fine no problem here but i doubt that any of them were included on what was going to be happening.

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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2005, 10:34:58 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2005, 12:25:12 PM »
sounds like the parents are pervs

hope they throw the book at them

the dad would have my boot up his arse if my son was at the party, then the lawyer would pay them a visit ...
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« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2005, 12:51:22 PM »
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no the legal age of adulthood in the US is 18.  At 18 you can go to strip clubs/juice bars depending on the states liqure laws.


Key words there "depending on the state's liquor laws".  And the "legal age of adulthood in the US" is 21.  At 18 you cannot enter into a binding contract.  You gain some adult privileges, more in some states depending on state laws.  But full adult status is not recognized until 21.  Yes some states allow entry into "juice bars" and you can go into exotic dance places.  In most states, real strippers (meaning they go beyond pasties and a G-string) require you to be 21 to enter.  And of course you MUST be 21 to drink alcohol, in almost every state of the US (I think there might still be 2 states that have the drinking age set at 18).

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So 16 year old is old enough to get a death sentence in the court but not old enough to see a stripper?

He's also old enough to drive a car but not old enough to make a decision if he/she should watch s stripper performing or not?


Decisions on whether or not a child can be tried as an adult vary from state to state.  Some are as low as 13 for capital offenses.  Hawaii for example, has NO law regarding this, and ANY child of ANY age can be charged as an adult if the courts deem it necessary.  As for your example of "old enough to get the death sentence, but not old enough to see a stripper", thats been a long running argument for guys who serve in the armed forces.  They can sign up at 18 on their own, but cant drink, or even buy a car or a house on their own (unless they are legally emancipated, but that opens up a whole new can of worms).  I believe there is a legislator trying to change that drinking age thing, but I doubt he will have much success.  

Regardless, the issue here is the actions of an adult (the boy's mother), and not the boy.  Also the actions of other adults, and how they affected or influenced minors.  It's something that must be considered.  But just for those of you quoting LAW (and I hate to bust your chops on this one Cap'n but you are wrong), all they can legally be charged with at this point is "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" which is a deliberately broad and vague charge, open to interpretation.  The states laws regarding minors and strippers only apply to minors getting in to establishments to view the acts, not to acts that occur in a private home.  The prosecution sees it as "skirting the law" and may try to interpret the law to include such a thing, thus bringing more charges.  I doubt they will stick without changing the wording of the law.

I seriously doubt any lasting harm was done to the boy or his friends, and I havent heard any "outraged parent" quotes on the net over this.  It's been a story for days.  It also says that besides the mother, father, and stripper, "two others" are facing charges.  Other parents perhaps?  I'm just sayin, usually in a deal like this there would be interviews everywhere with upset parents talking about the moral decline of our country and blah blah blah...........none of that here.  There's more to the story.
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« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2005, 01:00:15 PM »
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Key words there "depending on the state's liquor laws".  And the "legal age of adulthood in the US" is 21.  At 18 you cannot enter into a binding contract.  You gain some adult privileges, more in some states depending on state laws.  But full adult status is not recognized until 21.  Yes some states allow entry into "juice bars" and you can go into exotic dance places.  In most states, real strippers (meaning they go beyond pasties and a G-string) require you to be 21 to enter.  And of course you MUST be 21 to drink alcohol, in almost every state of the US (I think there might still be 2 states that have the drinking age set at 18).



Decisions on whether or not a child can be tried as an adult vary from state to state.  Some are as low as 13 for capital offenses.  Hawaii for example, has NO law regarding this, and ANY child of ANY age can be charged as an adult if the courts deem it necessary.  As for your example of "old enough to get the death sentence, but not old enough to see a stripper", thats been a long running argument for guys who serve in the armed forces.  They can sign up at 18 on their own, but cant drink, or even buy a car or a house on their own (unless they are legally emancipated, but that opens up a whole new can of worms).  I believe there is a legislator trying to change that drinking age thing, but I doubt he will have much success.  

Regardless, the issue here is the actions of an adult (the boy's mother), and not the boy.  Also the actions of other adults, and how they affected or influenced minors.  It's something that must be considered.  But just for those of you quoting LAW (and I hate to bust your chops on this one Cap'n but you are wrong), all they can legally be charged with at this point is "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" which is a deliberately broad and vague charge, open to interpretation.  The states laws regarding minors and strippers only apply to minors getting in to establishments to view the acts, not to acts that occur in a private home.  The prosecution sees it as "skirting the law" and may try to interpret the law to include such a thing, thus bringing more charges.  I doubt they will stick without changing the wording of the law.

I seriously doubt any lasting harm was done to the boy or his friends, and I havent heard any "outraged parent" quotes on the net over this.  It's been a story for days.  It also says that besides the mother, father, and stripper, "two others" are facing charges.  Other parents perhaps?  I'm just sayin, usually in a deal like this there would be interviews everywhere with upset parents talking about the moral decline of our country and blah blah blah...........none of that here.  There's more to the story.


In most states you can enter a legal binding contract at 18 years of age.  There are NO states that have less than 21 drinking age however, there are some that allow an adult/parent/guardien to serve you.  at 18 you are responsible for your own actions no ifs ands or buts.  Your parents are no longer LEGALLY required to care for you.  18 is the legal age of adult hood.

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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2005, 01:01:58 PM »
i will agree with you that there has to be more to this story but i believe you are mistaken about the part of not an adult until 21. The only thing i think you can't do is drink before 21. You can buy a car, home, get credit cards and get married at 18.

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« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2005, 01:04:04 PM »
I stand corrected.  I've only lived in 5 states, and none of them allow 18 year olds to sign contracts.  I wasnt sure about the drinking age, one always hears rumors.  :)

Still curious though, if 18 is the legal age of "adulthood" how can the federal govt. push the states to require 21 as the drinking age, and how can any state refuse to allow an 18 year old to sign a contract?

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« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2005, 01:11:07 PM »
Well they technically can't force it upon any state but what they will do is withhold federal money from them until they comply. I see it as forcing but technically not. This is how they get states to conform to their new rules and regulations. It works the same as what they are doing now with the "no child left behind act". Either meet our standards or receive less money from us. And as far as the legal binding of a contract i thought it was 18 across the country so i can't answer that one.

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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2005, 01:21:02 PM »
I understand how the feds get the states to pass the laws they want.  I'm very familiar with the process.  My question is where the age "21" comes from, and why there is any conflict between what age a person becomes an "adult" legally.  It was stated that 18 is the "legal age of adulthood."  If that is so, and an 18 year old is legally considered an "adult" then how can you deny him the right to drink, or any state deny him the right to sign a contract, enter a bar, or see nekkid wimmen.  I'm just asking.

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« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2005, 01:25:46 PM »
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I understand how the feds get the states to pass the laws they want.  I'm very familiar with the process.  My question is where the age "21" comes from, and why there is any conflict between what age a person becomes an "adult" legally.  It was stated that 18 is the "legal age of adulthood."  If that is so, and an 18 year old is legally considered an "adult" then how can you deny him the right to drink, or any state deny him the right to sign a contract, enter a bar, or see nekkid wimmen.  I'm just asking.


well there you go....drinking is not a "right" so to speak.  I've never been in a state in the last five years that an 18 y/o could not sign a legal contract.  I don't know were the magic number "21" comes from but that's the drinking age.  At 18 there is no chance of you being tried as a juvinal in court, your parents are no longer responsible for you, you now have the right to vote, you can enlist in the military w/o parental consent.  That's why 18 is the legal age of adulthood.

IMHO I think the 21 thing needs to be scrapped.  Most countrys in Europe don't have a drinking age and they don't have a problem with teenage alcoholism that we do here in the states.

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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2005, 02:07:48 PM »
She broke the law, used poor judgement and should be punished.

I look at it the way, I am 38yrs old and when I was that age incidents like that just didn't happen {I'm sure somewhere someone did something similar} but you get the point.

I'm not going to say this is what's wrong with todays youth nor try'n place blame, but when I was that age parents took a stronger role in childrens lives, there wasn't guns being toted to schools, there was no metal detectors at high schools and you sure as hell didn't tell some old guy to go **** himself.
I NEVER once read in the local paper about a drive-by at our school dance or someone gettin' knifed. They usually TP'd your house or put shaving cream all over your car.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say there wasn't any rough guys or problem causers. It was usually a fight over a girl or something stupid then ended up becoming friends by the next weekend anyways.

Just my 2 cents

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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2005, 02:27:23 PM »
People should be more concerned about the drug store violating the confideliality of the plaintiffs private property (photographs) let alone turning them in to the authorities.

What does that tell about the society? The US starts to look more and more like DDR lately.