Finally some good news in Iraq/discuss vietnam with amerihaters thread

[Gunslinger]

just saw a news report that the IRAQI defense forces are fighting back and actually won a major battle by repelling a terrorist attack on a police station.

They (IRAQIS) are also conducting operations in bahgdad to thwart and respond to all the recent bombings.

This to me is the best kind of news coming out of that country.  One of the major goals of the US exit strategy is to have IRAQIS provide for their own security.

Kudos to them!

[lazs2]

whatever it costs to pump up their police forces it is worth it.  This is how general Abrahms won the war in vietnam and it is the example that everyone dealing with insurgent terrorist forces uses today.

It is the only way to win.  the locals know who isn't a local and can best deal with it.

lazs

[Curval]

Originally posted by lazs2
This is how general Abrahms won the war in vietnam  

What version of the war did you learn...the Lott version?

[Gixer]

Originally posted by lazs2
This is how general Abrahms won the war in vietnam .
lazs

Which Vietnam war did you win?


...-Gixer

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Gixer


Which Vietnam war did you win?


...-Gixer

the one on the ground.  At times it was in fact one.  Reguardless of your amerihating veiws and history the CURRENT EVENTS OF THIS THREAD TOPIC are relevent and in fact good news

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
the one on the ground.  At times it was in fact one.  Reguardless of your amerihating veiws and history the CURRENT EVENTS OF THIS THREAD TOPIC are relevent and in fact good news

US won the war on the ground in Vietnam?

Yes that is a good news story on Iraq, not that theres been allot of details on the story.

And where does Amerihater come from? Is that on old term or one that's just come about during Bush's years in office?


...-Gixer

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Gixer


Which Vietnam war did you win?


...-Gixer

the US was winning the war in Vietnam, but lost it at home...


produce a bit of glee there Gixer for you to laugh about the US pulling out of Vietnam?  Or is it glee over the 58000+ US deaths?

[Swoop]

popcorn - check
deckchair - check
plenty to smoke - check.

ok, carry on.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Bodhi
the US was winning the war in Vietnam, but lost it at home...

So what caused them to lose it at home if they were winning on the battlefield in Vietnam? Surely if the war was going well in Vietnam you wouldn't lose public/political  support.

Of course there isn't any glee over 58000 dead nor for the millions of Vietnamese killed.

Just curious about the new version of history that I haven't heard before.


...-Gixer

[Gunslinger]

Great good Iraq story turns into battle over history.

Operation Lightning was launched as a direct challenge to the bloody wave of militant attacks that have killed more than 720 people since the April 28 announcement of Iraq's new Shiite-led government, according to an Associated Press count. At least seven militants died in suicide bombings or gunbattles Sunday.Iraqi security forces will erect 675 checkpoints to try to deter assailants around the city and in areas where attacks are frequent, and begin street-to-street sweeps.

Baghdad will be divided into two sectors, Karkh on the west bank of the Tigris river that separates the city, and Risafa on the east. Karkh will be divided into 15 sub-districts and Risafa into seven sub-districts. Police and emergency personnel will operate 24 hours a day.

It was not known how long the Operation Lighting (search) would last.

Gen. Richard Myers (search), chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Iraqi performance in the offensive would be an important indication of their readiness to take over security issues, a key part of the U.S. exit strategy from Iraq.

"Clearly what we want to have happen in Iraq is to have Iraqi security forces take charge of their own security. And every day, they're more and more able to do that," he said on "FOX News Sunday."

In western Baghdad, insurgents attacked two police stations, an Iraqi army barracks and a checkpoint within 30 minutes in the Abu Ghraib (search), Amariyah and Khadra neighborhoods, killing three civilians and wounding 15 people, including 10 Iraqi security forces, police officials said.

About 50 gunmen fired rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and machine guns at Baghdad's police Major Crime Unit in Amariyah at about 3:30 p.m. in a half-hour battle. U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Clifford Kent said insurgents apparently were trying to break detained militants out of custody, but the attack was repelled by Iraqi police and commandos.

Several minutes later, a car bomb exploded at a nearby Amariyah army barracks and an Iraqi military-controlled checkpoint in Abu Ghraib, the focus of a recent Iraqi-U.S. military operation, dubbed Operation Squeeze Play, a prelude to the current offensive, to clear the volatile area of militants.

About 4 p.m., gunmen attacked Khadra police station during a 15-minute firefight, police Lt. Majid Zaki said.

The Iraqi government said the offensive would continue despite the violence.

"With the escalating operations by security forces, we expect such reactions coming to the surface, but this will have no affect on the operations," Laith Kuba, spokesman for Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, said during a press conference.

An Internet statement released in the name of Al Qaeda in Iraq claimed responsibility for Sunday's attacks, which it said were in response to Operation Lightning and the detention of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib prison. The statement's authenticity could not be verified

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Swoop
popcorn - check
deckchair - check
plenty to smoke - check.

ok, carry on.

Sorry to dissapoint I have to leave in a few mins to go flying for the day.


...-Gixer

[Swoop]

Aw.....but I wanted to find out how America won in Vietnam and turned it into the shining example of western democracy that it is today.

Wait....er......

[Gixer]

"FOX News Sunday."



For that acurate and balanced reporting.  

No wonder I haven't been able to find any  detailed information on the events.



...-Gixer

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Gixer
So what caused them to lose it at home if they were winning on the battlefield in Vietnam? Surely if the war was going well in Vietnam you wouldn't lose public/political  support.

Of course there isn't any glee over 58000 dead nor for the millions of Vietnamese killed.

Just curious about the new version of history that I haven't heard before.


...-Gixer

Gixer,

The US prsecuted the war in such a way that enraged a fair amount of the populace of the US, aided by the media, they protrayed events that were monority portions of the war (kinda rings a bell in Iraq) as the majority.  

In EVERY ground engagement of any size, the US kicked the crap outta the NVA.  

Unfortunately for the US, the clips of body bags arriving home on the evening news and the US media helped to trigger a series of events that restricted the US's overall prosecution of the war.

Had the US not had this hampering political influence, the NVA and VC would have been defeated, although it would have meant a long term occupation, along the lines of what is going on now in Iraq.

In the end, political pressure forced us to pull out, and in the end doomed the South Vietnamese Government and it's people to a brutal communist oppressive regime.


Gixer,
Ohh, and my apologies for the laughing about US deaths comment, it was not right.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Gixer
"FOX News Sunday."



For that acurate and balanced reporting.  

No wonder I haven't been able to find any  detailed information on the events.



...-Gixer

are you saying then that this never happend? or that the AP is misreporting??????

Please go stick your head in some sand and completly ignore what you read then....be my guest.