Author Topic: It's "flying style" not the arena... (Read 1393 times)

humble · « **on:** May 29, 2005, 09:51:59 PM »

The apparant differences in plane performance are related to a different set of external variables...not any change in the planes flight model.

When I started flying in the DA a bit I was spinning out everything. My 1st spitty on spitty fight I think I spun out 5 or 6 times before I died. I was spinning it out on merges...then spinning it out mid fight then spinning it out evading then spinning it out pulling for shots....yet I dont think I've spun out a plane in the MA this year. At 1st I'm going wow....the FM is sure different...but when I played around in MA...was the same...only difference was the external variables I was reacting to. The MA IS different then the DA (or CT) so you will react differently since the variables your reacting to are different. If you dont believe it then simply go and film it...and you'll find the planes stall at same speeds, zoom the same compress the same etc....

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2005, 12:21:43 PM »

Ding!

-- Todd/Leviathn

Grits · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2005, 12:46:56 PM »

LOL, what do you two noobs know anyway?!?

Soulyss · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2005, 12:51:47 PM »

well put.

TrueKill · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2005, 01:22:22 PM »

This looks like a troll we discused this in the other thread and there are mysterious stalls in the game and I get them in the CT. I dont care if you or HTC says it doesnt happen beacause I know it does and not because the way I fly. Like I said many times before I fly the same in all arenas sept the DA. I fight alot harder pushing the limits to my plane more.

humble · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2005, 01:26:19 PM »

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Originally posted by TrueKill
This looks like a troll we discused this in the other thread and there are mysterious stalls in the game and I get them in the CT. I dont care if you or HTC says it doesnt happen beacause I know it does and not because the way I fly. Like I said many times before I fly the same in all arenas sept the DA. I fight alot harder pushing the limits to my plane more.

Truekill, your simply mistaken....you "think" you fly the same way. But go ahead and film a couple and if you see a real difference then post the clips....

humble · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2005, 01:31:46 PM »

I noticed it fighting redd in the DA, the hellkitty became the helplesskitty awful quickly. You'd swear the thing has more E better handling and a sweeter stall....then you get locked into a situation with no ability to "cheat" and the planes weak points become glaringly evident as you wallow around....same thing from the other side on the 109(F4) vs spit V...didnt matter what the 109 was doing the spitty wasnt even breaking a sweat...but in the MA you'd go 100+ hours without getting locked in like that.

TrueKill · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2005, 01:32:39 PM »

We can go at this all day long YOUR not going to tell me that Im flying a different way because YOU are not me. I know how I am flying and I know Im not flying any different. I dont need to film anything because I dont have to pove anything to you. This thing is like bigfoot or UFOs u dont beleave in them untill u have seen thing and I have seen this thing so you can call me a lier all you want because you dont have the stall and I do as do many others.

TrueKill · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2005, 01:39:23 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
I noticed it fighting redd in the DA, the hellkitty became the helplesskitty awful quickly. You'd swear the thing has more E better handling and a sweeter stall....then you get locked into a situation with no ability to "cheat" and the planes weak points become glaringly evident as you wallow around....same thing from the other side on the 109(F4) vs spit V...didnt matter what the 109 was doing the spitty wasnt even breaking a sweat...but in the MA you'd go 100+ hours without getting locked in like that.

I have had some 109F vs 109F in the MA with eagler hes a good 109F pilot so Im pullin tricks out my arse trying not to die this includes high AoA turns and low speed turning I did get the snap roll but they arent that bad. And yes I remember a fight when SA2 and I where fighting he was in the Frainz and I was in the spitV the spit pwns the F unless you get in a sissor fight with it the spit might have the speed and the turn but I found out that the F is a better sissor fighter and thats how SA2 killed me.

straffo · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2005, 01:56:59 PM »

What are std icon settings for the CT ?

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2005, 02:00:32 PM »

Franz is indeed has an excellent roll rate compared to the spit. Plus the torque really rolls the 109s to the right, so barely any rudder input is needed to help it go that way. You have to be light on the stick at low speeds though, or it snaps bad, as TK noted.

I also used to think the CT and TA had different FMs than the MA, but as much as I'd like to say its so (and save myself the embarassment of admitting to such suckage as my flying in the CT lately has shown), I am becoming more and more convinced it was all in my head. I simply fly more aggressively in the CT where there are fewer cons and I worry less about getting picked. I also have a higher expectation of a good stick on the other side, and as such I try harder to get position than I might otherwise. Where I would "wait and see" for a couple of moves in the MA, to judge my opponent, I dont do that in the CT and it throws me off a bit. I'm more prone to pull more G's, for longer periods. And again, I think that maybe we need to look at making the fuel burn faster. Faster fuel burn means lighter planes more quickly and more maneuverability. I'm used to flying for 5 minutes or so before a fight in the MA. Also, I may not have the plane fully trimmed like I do in the MA due to the closer fights.

tzr · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2005, 02:24:19 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I simply fly more aggressively in the CT where there are fewer cons and I worry less about getting picked. I also have a higher expectation of a good stick on the other side, and as such I try harder to get position than I might otherwise. Where I would "wait and see" for a couple of moves in the MA, to judge my opponent, I dont do that in the CT and it throws me off a bit. I'm more prone to pull more G's, for longer periods. And again, I think that maybe we need to look at making the fuel burn faster. Faster fuel burn means lighter planes more quickly and more maneuverability. I'm used to flying for 5 minutes or so before a fight in the MA. Also, I may not have the plane fully trimmed like I do in the MA due to the closer fights.

BINGO!!!!!!

Mister Fork · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2005, 03:15:07 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
What are std icon settings for the CT ?

I think it's somewhere between 1000 & 500 yards... I'd have to check.

Bear76 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2005, 03:29:30 PM »

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Originally posted by TrueKill
This looks like a troll we discused this in the other thread and there are mysterious stalls in the game and I get them in the CT. I dont care if you or HTC says it doesnt happen beacause I know it does and not because the way I fly. Like I said many times before I fly the same in all arenas sept the DA. I fight alot harder pushing the limits to my plane more.

Well my planes fly the same in the CT as they do the MA. But let's assume for a minute you are right. Then everyone in the CT would suffer the same thing, right? Or is it that somehow HTC has specifically altered you and Storch's planes? TK, you of all people should know the CM's can't alter the flight model in the game, yet Storch accused Slash of doing it. The more you try to make of this, the more ridiculous it looks.

storch · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2005, 03:29:57 PM »

I'll do as you suggested humble and if i'm wrong, why I'll just find something else to call slash names about.

Author Topic: It's "flying style" not the arena... (Read 1393 times)

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