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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2005, 01:53:14 PM »
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How do you know about the Indians, oh yeah because we allow everyone to see and talk about our mistakes so we learn from them. It wasn't a high or proud point of American history but we don't deny it either.


We don't hide any unpleasant facts about Russian Empire or USSR too.

Can you give me examples of genocide of millions of people preformed by Russian state?

Sorry about "no genocide at all" statement. I forgot what Ivan IV did to Novgorod, but I bet you never heard about it. Anyway, European "civilized nations" did much worse things to Slavonic people at the very same time.

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2005, 02:35:07 PM »
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1) Any country that signed a Geneva convention has to treat all POWs regardless to the country of origin equally.

2) USSR signed Geneva convention in the 30s.


Too bad anything USSR signed was not worth the toilet paper it was written on.

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2005, 03:00:58 PM »
http://www.ukar.org/famine.html
http://www.holodomor.org/

Of course those are just propaganda.
Sovier Union tried to save Ukraine and its people but alas; capitalist forces destroyed all glorious 5 year plans before they were executed (plans; not persons) and thus millions died.

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2005, 03:03:47 PM »
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Too bad anything USSR signed was not worth the toilet paper it was written on.


Опять сявка пиздоблядская хавало ракрыла......

So how much costs USA and Britain promisses to open second front in 1942?

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2005, 03:25:36 PM »
btw Boroda and his lackeys are minority in Russia; most persons knows their history and what have their country done.
Most are also quite intelligent people and friendly as any other guy/gal in any other country.
It's just that they haven't ever get to known a democratic system and how it's working and thus they don't miss it.
Maybe dictatorship is good choice for Russia.

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2005, 07:51:14 PM »
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Can you give me examples of genocide of millions of people preformed by Russian state?

 


Yep just like Staga said, and we have been round and round on this,  Stalin never hurt the Ukrainians, its just nasty US propaganda.

One day you gotta look at yourself in the mirror and say that.  And when you do tell us if you see good camrade Joe cause that means you have not even tried to learn anything at all.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2005, 07:54:41 PM »
well, we have to concede this to Boroda: Nothing like the Holocaust was done by the Soviet state.

The reason for that is simple: The dissenters were sent off to Siberia where they still had to do work for the state. No reason to kil them. And to most, their fate seemed worse than death, being  separated from their families, friends and their entire previous life.

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2005, 08:23:37 PM »
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well, we have to concede this to Boroda: Nothing like the Holocaust was done by the Soviet state.

The reason for that is simple: The dissenters were sent off to Siberia where they still had to do work for the state. No reason to kil them. And to most, their fate seemed worse than death, being  separated from their families, friends and their entire previous life.


With regard to the 'nothing like the holocost by the soviet state'.. Horsepucky.

In total, Soviet industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war dead.

Unca Joe was the greatest mass murderer in human history. Period.

Ukraine Genocide.. UKRANIAN LINK (not american)

Kinda pointless hollering at Boroda about it.. he didn't do it. All we can do is hope that one day Russia will come to grips with the truth about it's past. Yes, all great nations have been involved in genocide. It's history. And untill we all come to grips with the past, THE TRUTH, and understand what, how, why it occured.. well, then it's likely to happen again.

Denial of truth is a not the way to build a better world.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2005, 08:38:37 PM »
hey, I'm not saying Stailn wasn't a murderer or that he was better than Hitler in any way. just that his methods were slightly different.

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2005, 08:43:07 PM »
Boroda makes me laugh, hes like one of those bad russian characters out of a B grade 60's movie.

I sometimes wonder if Boroda is funkedup or airhead, or maybe another mrblack personality...

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2005, 08:48:10 PM »
neah he's real. there's pics and everything.
Sometimes I think he's just trolling to get a rise out of the people here. But if he is, he's good at it!

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2005, 12:55:19 AM »
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1) Any country that signed a Geneva convention has to treat all POWs regardless to the country of origin equally.

2) USSR signed Geneva convention in the 30s.
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Hey Boroda?

How about the Russian's stopping, and allowing the Nazi's to slaughter Poles?

How about the "routine" raping of German women on the Berlin advance?  

July 10th, 1938 - The NKVD reports it arrested 134,519 Poles in the USSR during Polish Operation of whom between 54,000 and 67,000 were shot and the rest sent to camps or Kazakhstan.

But this didn't happen either did it?

September 17 - 25, 1939 - Thousands of Poles are slaughtered in eastern Poland by elements of Ukrainians, Byelorussians and Jews, encouraged by Soviet slogans such as: "For Poles, Pans and dogs--a dog's death!" In Karczowka, 24 Polish settlers are tied with barbed wire and are shot or drowned. In Luboml County, 500 Poles are murdered in a 3-day orgy by Ukrainians. A wounded priest in Brzezany County is placed near a road and is used by passing Soviet soldiers as target practice; a dozen bullets hit him before he dies at the end of the day.  

or how about this?

Katyn Massacre.  I'm sure even Gorbachev's ADMITTANCE, isn't good enough for you.

maybe these?

June 22 - 29, 1941 - Soviets slaughter prisoners in their cells
or on death marches in wake of the Nazi invasion of
the USSR. As many as 120,000 people (mostly Poles and
Ukrainians but also a few Jews) will be murdered.

August 30, 1943 -  Poles of Wola Ostrowiecka are rounded up by Ukrainian Nationalists. The men are hacked to death while women and children are packed into a school into which grenades are thrown: 550 people are murdered including 220 children.

February 22, 1944 - NKVD troops surround hundreds of Chechen villages in USSR, and in 24-hours deport the population to Siberia. Some 530,000 Chechens perish, and survivors can only return in 1956.

August 1, 1944 -  Warsaw Uprisng erupts as 42,000 AK soldiers and civilians attack the Germans. Only 2,500 are properly armed while the Germans have 16,000 well-armed troops who will be strengthened.

August 2, 1944 - Polish insurgents seize two-thirds of Warsaw.
For three days they await a German counter-attack confident they can hold it off and achieve liberation before the Red Army arrives.

August 3, 1944 - Stalin promises Poles that the Red Army will attack Germans if the Uprising lasts for 6 days. It will last 63 days
but no help will come.


BUT I am sure NONE of this happened Boroda?

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2005, 01:03:41 AM »
Man...we could spot this thread going downhill faster then a redneck stuffed inside of a goodyear tire.


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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2005, 01:06:58 AM »
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Man...we could spot this thread going downhill faster then a redneck stuffed inside of a goodyear tire.


A bunch of us are just plain fed up with Boroda's "expertise" in Sarin, Nuclear Physics, and "rewriting Soviet History".

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2005, 01:46:52 AM »
In defense, each of us has a tendancy to write our own histories - that is something that everyone, and every nation is guilty of at somepoint. And every nation has blood on its hands at some point as well.

Do you agree or no Karaya?

As for resenting a person's encyclopedic knowlege on whatever topic is at hand, pick up a book and contribute to the discourse rather then openly bash.

I don't see folks flaming Widewing for everything he knows about aircraft and Naval Aviation from his life long first hand experience with the subject.

Nor do I see anyone evicerating Dago about mechanical issues with aircraft, despite his 20 years + qualifications as an A&P in the field.

Point is - tone it down. Take everything with a grain of salt, and don't sweat the small ****.



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