Russian classrooms reverting to soviet version of history

[parker00]

Originally posted by dedalos
Mistakes?  This is how this country was build!  Genocide of the locals first and then slavory.  Offcorce, once teh country was build, we decided it was a 'mistake' and started critisizing everyone else.  

Point is, every country is guilty of similar crimes.  Some did not have enough power to comit them but given the oportunity . . . you get the idea.  Now, we can only have these arguments if we chose a starting date.  For example, I can claim that Greece has not commited any atrosities (that you would know of).  Well, it really depends on how far back you want to go in time.  

Anyway, get off your big white horses, stop pretending you know everyones history, and remember, no one is better than anyone else.  We just did not have the right oportunity yet.  (except the Germans, lol.  Something about them scares )

when did i say we were better than anyone or that i knew everyone's history? I was just making a point to boroda that he always denies the bad things about russia. I know we have done things wrong but we don't sit out here and deny every one of them. So you know where you put that big white horse of yours????

[Vad]

Hey, Staga, where is the problem? These , errr... female bed workers are working for Finns, they bring love not war. Believe me, russian ambassador earns not enough to allow that.

Do you have any complaints about service the girls provided?

[Hangtime]

lemme guess... crabs, herpes, the scaly heebie-jeebies, bad breath and aids?

Other than that and the barking & scratching complaints..

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by Rino


 Sounds to me an awful lot like the Holocaust, YMMV.

Listen, I really hate communism and everything the Soviet Union has done, but, if not the outcome, the methods employed in treating the undesired were different, less...systematic. I don't think I've ever heard of gas chambers in the USSR. The allies were idiotic in turning in so many prisoners to the USSR. I like what I heard about Patton, who was so sure a war was going to start with the USSR he started re-training German POWs.

That being said, I think the Nuremberg trial is one of the biggest farces of last century: Commies prosecuting Nazis

[Staga]

Originally posted by Vad
Hey, Staga, where is the problem? These , errr... female bed workers are working for Finns, they bring love not war. Believe me, russian ambassador earns not enough to allow that.

Do you have any complaints about service the girls provided?

I have no problems with the girls but how their embassy is trying to tell our news what they should broadcast. They're not in Russia anymore you know. Hell I think our government should kick Russian ambassadeur back to Moscow.
Personally I don't know about the service girls offered; if I own a Ferrari I really can't see a reason why I should rent a Volga for a ride...

[Vad]

Staga, this new from 1 November 2004 (repeating  - half a year ago!):

RUSSIAN TRADE MISSION IN FINLAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HANGOUTS SCANDAL, RUSSIAN TRADE REPRESENTATIVE SAYS
 16:28  

HELSINKI, November 1 (RIA Novosti) - The data of the investigation being conducted confirm that the members of the Russian Trade Mission in Finland have nothing to do with the scandal concerning hangouts in Helsinki, Russian Trade Representative in Finland Valery Shlyamin said on Monday.

According to him, the Trade Mission and the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation are investigating the incident through the Russian Embassy in Finland.

Valery Shlyamin underscored that the Russian side is bewildered that neither the Finnish police nor the Finnish Foreign Ministry officially addressed the Russian Trade Mission. "We have learned for the first time about the circumstances of the Finnish investigation not from the Finnish authorities, but from the Finnish media," the Trade Representative said.

He also pointed out the impermissibility of the actions of Finnish journalists from the moral and ethical points of view, because the scandalous information with which the Finnish media link the Russian Trade Mission was published before the completion of the investigation and any official conclusions on this score.

"It is very strange that we can be associated with this ugly phenomenon," Valery Shlyamin underscored. "The Trade Mission will be ready to make a final statement for the press when the investigation is finished," he added.

He said that the Trade Mission does rent flats on an absolutely legal basis, However, no lessor, of course, can systematically control the private life of the lessees.

The Trade Representative underscored that the Russian Trade Mission unreservedly condemn the criminal activity connected with the organisation of hangouts and with pandering and is ready to take all the necessary measures to fight this evil.

At the end of October, the Finnish authorities stated that they began investigating into the information that several flats in Helsinki, owned by the Russian Trade Mission, had been turned into hangouts.

A spokesman for the Finnish Interior Ministry told reporters that during this investigation a 41-year-old Russian woman was detained on charges of pandering and organising hangouts in these flats.

"Moscow has been concerned over the information of the Finnish authorities about the incident with the flats of the Russian Trade Mission in Helsinki," the commentary of the information and press department of the Russian Foreign Ministry says.


http://en.rian.ru/onlinenews/20041101/39772428.html

[Vad]

And want to add.
1. Trade mission is not an embassy.
2. In civilized country  it is absolutelly legal to demand do not disclose any information before investigation is finished. Ask your lawyer.
3. We saved your nation during Dry Law in Finland, and you are trying to blame us?

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Staga
Personally I don't know about the service girls offered; if I own a Ferrari I really can't see a reason why I should rent a Volga for a ride...

That reminds me, more pics pls.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Suave
In the year 2005.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/chitribts/20050529/ts_chicagotrib/omittingthepastsdarkerchapters

"Russians don't like sharp criticism of their country's history--it makes them feel humiliated," Ermoltsev said. "Revising history and history books helps them overcome this discomfort."  

They're taking lessons from Japan.

[Wolfala]

Stega,

I don't know which post you were refering to, but irregardless of my position on present day Russia, or the former USSR - I believe I was trying to illustrate education as being far more effective at understanding where the mud slinging contest's origins were birthed.

But maybe that is not for this fourm or general audience. Can't hurt to try ya know?



Wolf

[spitfiremkv]

Americans do not shy away from criticism in their own history books, even episodes like the shameful annexation of the Philipinens in the 1900s.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Americans do not shy away from criticism in their own history books, even episodes like the shameful annexation of the Philipinens in the 1900s.

Spit,

For the most part Amercians are down with having a little bit of discourse. But, as an example of animosity from within, many of the southern states of the US who were a part of the Confederacy during our civil war back in the mid 1800's still fly the confederate flag. The argument has been made several times that it is to honor those who fought for the south, but the counterpoint being that they fought for oppression of the black population and slavery. And many still have engrained the ideas from that time and still harbor the animosity. Our problem has been social stratification through race, ethnicity and social class. The civil rights movement during the 1960s started a change in the right direction, but talking about it, analyzing it and most...
..

Understanding the events took decades.

History is a powerful tool. But the most important thing all of us need to take from history is that it is VERY GOOD at writing cautionary prescriptions for how we should act. Not necessarly how we will act due to expediency and political enviroment.



Wolfala

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Spit,

For the most part Amercians are down with having a little bit of discourse. But, as an example of animosity from within, many of the southern states of the US who were a part of the Confederacy during our civil war back in the mid 1800's still fly the confederate flag. The argument has been made several times that it is to honor those who fought for the south, but the counterpoint being that they fought for oppression of the black population and slavery. And many still have engrained the ideas from that time and still harbor the animosity. Our problem has been social stratification through race, ethnicity and social class. The civil rights movement during the 1960s started a change in the right direction, but talking about it, analyzing it and most...
..

Understanding the events took decades.

History is a powerful tool. But the most important thing all of us need to take from history is that it is VERY GOOD at writing cautionary prescriptions for how we should act. Not necessarly how we will act due to expediency and political enviroment.



Wolfala

Ok, who are you and why are you using Wolfala's logon?

Nice post.

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by Wolfala

History is a powerful tool. But the most important thing all of us need to take from history is that it is VERY GOOD at writing cautionary prescriptions for how we should act. Not necessarly how we will act due to expediency and political enviroment.



Wolfala

for the most part, it shows us how we shouldn't act.

[Staga]

Vad the "rental" moneys were delivered to the embassy and two diplomats (under immunity) were responsible about renting those apartments. One has already left country and I believe another one will follow soon.

btw trade mission is part of Russian embassy at least in here; I've been there.

RUSSIAN TRADE MISSION IN FINLAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HANGOUTS SCANDAL, RUSSIAN TRADE REPRESENTATIVE SAYS

- They already admitted the apartments were leased to prostitutes.

Vad are you Estonian?
You should know you can't trust anything that Russian government or its representative says.