Author Topic: Interesting (Ta-152) (Read 2172 times)

Morpheus · « **on:** May 31, 2005, 01:13:04 PM »

I was curious as to the usage of the Ta152. I personaly love this plane. I think it is one of the coolest looking planes in the game.

I dont think its worthy of its cost to get it out of the hanger tho. I think its a pig down where the fight is. And if you were to fly it where you'd have any advantage in performance, you wouldnt find anyone else to have an advantage over. Its a novelty plane at best in its current state. And thats a shame.

Thats just my opinion of course.

The La-7 has 32127 kills and has been killed 24935 times.

The Fw 190D-9 has 12756 kills and has been killed 9080 times.

The Ta 152H has 384 kills and has been killed 226 times.

The F4U-1C has 8439 kills and has been killed 3525 times.

The Tempest has 5619 kills and has been killed 922 times.

Those stats are current.. As in today. Its simply a comparison between several planes. The reason I chose the Chog is because it too is perked. At basicly the same cost... And its usage far exceeds that of the Ta152.

It certainly seems to be impacting the MA to the point where it needs to be perked. (Not)

Anyways, threads like this are a dime a dozen, that i know for certain.

I would like to see the Ta, unperked. Even for just a tour... as a "test" if you would. 8 Perks may not make much of a difference, I know they dont to me. The cost that is. But when you see a Ta152, atleast when I see one, I hit it first. Its a "perk" plane... Everyone goes after the perk rides. I highly doubt that it would have that great of an impact on the MA if it were unperked. But I've been wrong before.

I really do NOT understand why it is perked. Where most fights (i would say ALL but i wont) are, D9's, 51s, and La7s just to name a few,can run it down like a 3 legged mangy mut. And unless by the power of god you manage to out turn them and kill them quick, you're going to die. If not from a 1 on 1, then from the horde with dollar signs in their eyes that will soon follow.

Thoughts?

JB73 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2005, 01:18:22 PM »

on a side note i was kind of suprised to find it was not re-done with the other 190's

it does not fare as bad now because of the neon perk tag being somewhat gone... try it on the deck ; )

Vudak · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2005, 01:27:11 PM »

I'm not really sure why it's perked either, aside from it being a late-war novelty plane.

I say try it for a month without the perks, like you said. I doubt it will cause much whining.

Morpheus · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2005, 01:28:06 PM »

I did 73. I took it up the other day. I con'd Dipstick into flying one with me lol.

Anyways, I flew at medium to low alt. I ended up on the deck... Thats just the way I am. I get too bored flying up and down. I have to turn...

Make a long story short... I was on my way back home running on fumes, on the deck. I look back to see an La7 on my long 6... 5.5k, 5, 3.5k.. I REALLY didnt want to stick around any longer... But I turned anyways. I brought the La7 within 1k of me, forced an over shot and by the good grace of the AH god, managed to get a shot with 30mms on him.

Before that, I wasnt turning, wasnt slow. Just crusing along at a steady speed. And was still run down as if I was in a P40.

There is nothing spectacular about this plane in its performance down WHERE the fights are. It poses no more of a threat than a D9. Infact, I find that D9s are harder to kill than a Ta because they are that much faster on the deck than a Ta.

To be honest. When I get the urge to take up a Ta... I grab an A8 instead. And I live longer. One, because it doesnt show perk tag inside 800d... And two, its just about as fast. Lastly, it has the firepower.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2005, 01:45:11 PM »

Sure, go ahead and unperk the Ta152 right along with the Spit XIV

What's the stats on that kite?

Dan/CorkyJr

Howitzer · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2005, 01:49:40 PM »

I'd fly that cow if it were unperked. As it stands I believe I've flown it twice, and once was when Heretik conned me into it =)

dedalos · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:01:12 PM »

I like chasing bombers in it. Only problem is, whenI go out looking for serten ### and frenchfries guys, I get jumped by fighters. When I am in a plane without 30mms, I always seem to run into the two death stars

ghi · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:14:16 PM »

"On April 14, 1945, two Hawker Tempests of 486 (New Zealand) Squadron took off from the Volkel airfield in Holland in order to attack the railway yards at Ludwigslust. As they initiated their low-level attack, three Ta 152s of Stab/JG 301 were scrambled against them from Neustadt-Glewe, five miles away. Within minutes, the German aircraft hurriedly fell upon the New Zealanders. Oberfeldwebel Sattler, flying in No. 3 position in the German formation, lost control over his new plane and crashed vertically into the ground. In the following dogfight at almost tree-top level, Sattler's comrade Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke displayed the superior maneuverability of the Ta 152 by out-turning and shooting down the Tempest flown by Warrant Officer Mitchell, who had no chance to survive."

notice:
Maneuverability !!! outturning the Tempest !!

since AH1, i think the Ta152 is undermodeled, and perked without reason as long as is modeled worst than P47 , P51 @ high/low alt
http://hem.passagen.se/galland/Reschke.html?k

TracerX · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:21:33 PM »

I would support unperking the TA-152. I might try it a few times more if it were unperked, but I am sure it would not have a destabilizing effect on the current balance of power in the MA. I am 100% sure that unperking the SpitXIV would have a dramaticly higher effect on the MA than the TA-152.

Hey Ghi, you should note your sources there. I like the quote, and I agree that the TA-152 seemes nutered compared to its reputation.

68DevilM · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:22:05 PM »

you know, ive never used this plane yet...

now im gonna have to give it a try

sickbird · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:34:19 PM »

The Spitfire Mk XIV has 515 kills and has been killed 376 times.

Panman · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:34:22 PM »

Looked up a little info for ya Morph.

Only 150 Ta-152,s were manufactured between Jan.1st 1945 untill the soviets over ran the assembly plant in Cottbus Germany.
Most 152,s operated in the close support role, and some flew top-cover over 262 bases to keep the jets from being bounced by allied fighters. Guess it worked cause no 262,s were lost when the 152's were known to be circling the airfields.
Most of the 152,s had the junkers jumo 213E-1 12 cylinder liquid-cooled engine rated at 1750hp for takeoff (2050hp with MW50 boost)(methanol-water) and 1320hp at 32,800 feet(1740hp with GM1 boost)(nitrous oxide)Max speed at sealevel:332mph(350 with MW50 boost)465 mph at 29,530 feet with WM50 boost, 472 mphat 41,010 feet with GM1 boost.Max service ceiling was 48,550 feet with GM1 boost.Initial climb ratewas 3,445 feet/minute with MW50 boost. Weights were 8,642 lbs empty 10,472 lbs normal load , 11,502 lbs max load. Wingspan of 47 feet 4 1/2 inches, length of 35 feet 1 2/3 inches, height 11 feet 1/4 inches, with a wing area of 250.8 square feet.
The 152C was to be fitted with the DB-603 engine , but the plant was captured before the it could go into full production.

Panman

dedalos · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:49:03 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by ghi

notice:
Maneuverability !!! outturning the Tempest !!

since AH1, i think the Ta152 is undermodeled, and perked without reason as long as is modeled worst than P47 , P51 @ high/low alt
http://hem.passagen.se/galland/Reschke.html?k

Not directed at you ghi, but . . . This whole this plane out turns this plane blabla bla, that leads to the 200 coments of "BS, there is no way your plane X could out turn my plane Y" and so on, has to stop. Its meaning less. X outturns Y at what speed? what alt? flat turns or imels? fuel load? pilot? pilot? pilot? What does it mean when a Spit outturns another Spit? Was one of the difective?

I've been "out turned" in SpitVs from flying bricks simply because their pilot knew the bricks envelops.

Morpheus · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2005, 02:58:10 PM »

Thanks for the info panman. Good stuff.

I am aware that they Ta152 was produced in low numbers. But that begs the question. Does that simple fact make it a perk plane?

At sea lvl it can just barely out pace a spit9. A 51, no chance.

In and around fights in the MA...where most of them are at low to medium altitude... The Ta152 poses no more threat than a D9, a P51D, or a Spit9 (all of which are unperked and over used).

I think unperking it would make it much more fun to fly. A horde sees a perk tag, and they're drawn to that plane like flies on poop. A tempest can hold its own. A Ta is fish bait.

68DevilM · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2005, 03:02:58 PM »

does it fly like the d9?