Author Topic: Country jumping & ENY Fact or Fiction (Read 3520 times)

tactic · « **on:** June 01, 2005, 12:57:14 AM »

I would like to know how many people jump Countries when they see a win comming? I could be wrong..... but it Seems to be alot of them and seems to be happening alot lately, its always happened but not to this extent IMO.

I wonder also, how many of these jumpers do not realize they have to be in that country for 12 hours min to gain perks? The impact (ENY) it has sometimes on the one country is terrable , it was huge tuesday night at 10 pm pac time even, ENY was up to 36 at one point for the knights. Not a gripe, just asking. Starts more less even numbers in all three countries, til one gets moving then , seems like the numbers rise on winning country and number lessen in others.

Again, I may be wrong, but the losing country always loses some players they just do, always have. The country in second really didnt lose too many players , because they always try to hault the country in the lead. The winning country usually stayed pretty level in numbers, maybe gaining a few but only because of other countries logging, but gained very few players from jumping most of the time.

There was a few times(in the ol' days) when it seemed alot of people jumped to winning country , but it was not a usual occurance in huge numbers, like it seems now..

For the guys that get there country to that point of winning, are penalized by the ENY, because of those people that jump on the band wagon and it will gain them nothing! notta!! like i said it may just be my perception.

FBRaptor · « **Reply #1 on:** June 01, 2005, 01:00:02 AM »

It did kinda seem that way tonight didn't it?

Hmmm, I wonder too.

But I bet most of the jumpers, don't post or even read the BBS.

ghi · « **Reply #2 on:** June 01, 2005, 01:23:39 AM »

The balance is lost in MA, has nothing to do with country jumping
last year rooks ussed to have #s, now knits have #s most of the time,
last evening we( bish) were outnumbered by knits 2 to 1, and got reset ,
The ENY works, but must be other better ways to keep teams even
do you guys want 2 to 1 and free jets?
join the Bish and get vulched on most of the bases in front line
Enjoy the #s, and the TBMs:aok

ps. country jumpers in close to reset situations ,are just lossers, cowards, deserters
i would hang them from their small ballz on CV's radar tower and shoot them with the 8'' gun

BigR · « **Reply #3 on:** June 01, 2005, 01:48:50 AM »

i think everything is working just fine....my last 5 flights i got like 30 kills because everyone i was fighting was stuck in Spit1s! ahhaha. So we were very outnumberd but they couldnt do much. BTW...i saw the eny hit 40 tonight. =) Poor knits.

Tonight the Knits had more people on than the Rooks and the Bish combined. Ive never seen that before.

DieAz · « **Reply #4 on:** June 01, 2005, 07:51:52 AM »

40 eny?

hmmm, I wonder if theres a cap on how far eny limiter goes.

if it ever hits 60 (or 65?), it'll shut a whole country down. with nada to fly or drive.

SCDR · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:01:04 AM »

Yes 40 ENY last night for Nits. Trying to defend a vh with only
T-34s is hard.
The ENY system sucks.

SCDR

WarRaidr · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:15:36 AM »

the ENY worked as it should and it was fun flying Tempest's for as little as 20 perks

As for the numbers, i think that there were many country jumpers last nite, at one point i looked and the knits had over 160 players while the rooks and bish both had in the 70's

only good thing is that there are no more whines about the "rook horde" now it's the "knit horde"

JB73 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:41:30 AM »

first off, what makes you think that people are switching countries for the reset, and not just plain logging off.

i know in the past if the country i was in was losing badly, about to be reset, i logged off in frustration, why stay and give away free vulches.

i'm not saying there are no "country switchers" but i have not seen someone i shot down suddenly on my side in a long long time.

thats just my thoughts on it. more people log off in frustration than "switch"

also.. on the ENY thing, it does CAP out at IIRC 40 or 45. it will never disable flight for an entire country.

CPorky · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:43:22 AM »

Generally, I'll switch over to another country as soon as numbers go awry or definitely when ENY kicks in.

I usually catch some rude comments from some of the arm-chair generals, as if this wasn't a game.

Morpheus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2005, 09:38:09 AM »

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Originally posted by SCDR
Yes 40 ENY last night for Nits. Trying to defend a vh with only
T-34s is hard.
The ENY system sucks.

SCDR

LOL:lol

dedalos · « **Reply #10 on:** June 01, 2005, 10:17:50 AM »

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Originally posted by WarRaidr
the ENY worked as it should and it was fun flying Tempest's for as little as 20 perks

As for the numbers, i think that there were many country jumpers last nite, at one point i looked and the knits had over 160 players while the rooks and bish both had in the 70's

only good thing is that there are no more whines about the "rook horde" now it's the "knit horde"

Yeah, ENY works wonders. Lets see what happened last night.

Some people left Bish and Rooks to go fly with the Nits to get the perks even though the ENY would limit their planes. (Oposite result of what the ENY limits were put in place for)
Some people logged off cause they got tired of getting vulched or overwelmed by the Nit hords that the ENY 'eliminated'.
You had fun flying Tempests but thats not related to the ENY.
I had fun flying a KI61 against 2 NIKS 2 SPITs 3 lalas 1 P51 and 3 Tempests waiting overhead for the cherry pick.
When I had enough of that, I had some fun hitting Tigers with an M8. That went really well.
Bish got reset anyway. ENY just made the pain of fighting in those conditions for all Bish rooks and Nits, just last a little longer.

Over all, a great success of the ENY system last night.

I think it only works when a country is outnumbered, but still has a lot of fields left. When they are down to 10 fields, their forces are consintraited. I don't care what plane is available but having to fight in a 205 or KI61 against 3 Temps wile engaged with Spits and Niks on the deck is kind of redicilus. Maybe ENY should stop at 20 or 25 or what ever. People are not going to switch sides. If they did not in the past 6 months, they are not going to tomorrow.

SlapShot · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2005, 10:30:24 AM »

Some people left Bish and Rooks to go fly with the Nits to get the perks even though the ENY would limit their planes. (Oposite result of what the ENY limits were put in place for)

But Ded ... they are total tools who have no clue ... jumping sides to gain perks for winning the war will not happen unless you jumped side 12 hours before the reset.

So ... they not only locked themselves into an ENY restriction, they got no perk points either ... like I said ... TOTAL TOOLS.

If you were a Knit and flying under those conditions, you were then flying in an area where the Nit Horde WAS NOT ... and where the opposing team WAS hording.

Chit happens ...

Morpheus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2005, 10:33:20 AM »

Funny thing about jumping sides... The side jumpers are never good enough. Side jumping potatos...

Our squad will be on the side with the lowest numbers 95% of the time. Unless they are fairly even, then we can be found flying Knight.

Loyalty to a chess peice has got to be one of the silliest things in the game.

I constantly see people complaining on all sides, "This game sucks, BS ENY limiter... Wont let me fly my plane" on channel 200. Those very same people are also in squads that will boot you out of the squad if you do change sides.

Let me ask you people a question. Where does the "I am a true to life WW2 fighter pilot/bomber/artillery/elite Panzer strike force, loyalty to one side and one side only" stop and the fact that this is only a game pick up?

I know the MAW will not allow side switching. Atleast that is what Kakmaw stated the other night. IF a member of that squad does switch sides, they are booted. Which is fine. I guess some people like more rules in a game. But I also see some of these people complain about not being able to fly what they want, when they want, due to the eny limiter.

I know bish, and Nits, who have been on the same side since beta. How boring that must be. Never to fly with the guys who've shot you down, and who you've shot down.

Anyways, its squads and players with that mindset that allow the numbers to get as lopsided as they do.

Btw, Ghi, when was the last time you flew for another country other than Bish?

Howitzer · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2005, 10:48:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
Funny thing about jumping sides... The side jumpers are never good enough. Side jumping potatos...

Our squad will be on the side with the lowest numbers 95% of the time. Unless they are fairly even, then we can be found flying Knight.

Loyalty to a chess peice has got to be one of the silliest things in the game.

I constantly see people complaining on all sides, "This game sucks, BS ENY limiter... Wont let me fly my plane" on channel 200. Those very same people are also in squads that will boot you out of the squad if you do change sides.

Let me ask you people a question. Where does the "I am a true to life WW2 fighter pilot/bomber/artillery/elite Panzer strike force, loyalty to one side and one side only" stop and the fact that this is only a game pick up?

I know the MAW will not allow side switching. Atleast that is what Kakmaw stated the other night. IF a member of that squad does switch sides, they are booted. Which is fine. I guess some people like more rules in a game. But I also see some of these people complain about not being able to fly what they want, when they want, due to the eny limiter.

I know bish, and Nits, who have been on the same side since beta. How boring that must be. Never to fly with the guys who've shot you down, and who you've shot down.

Anyways, its squads and players with that mindset that allow the numbers to get as lopsided as they do.

Btw, Ghi, when was the last time you flew for another country other than Bish?

I'm taking this stance as well. WoT flies rook all the time. There is nothing wrong with that at all, and they are great to fly with, but I've started flying for the side which has the least #'s when I'm on, so I decided to unaffiliate myself with WoT so there wouldn't be any hard feelings (I doubt that there would have been).

I guess what I'm saying is that there are a lot of guys out there who scream "SPY SPY!" when they see someone switch sides when really all they are trying to do is even out the numbers a little bit. There are only three squads I can think of that switch sides on a regular basis to even out numbers. Would be good to see a few more pick up that trait, even though it can be hard for members who are just logging on to track down the rest of the squad if they went country jumping.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2005, 11:09:18 AM »

I always go to the low number crowd. I also don't get the loyalty to a chess piece bit. Not much fun being part of the steam roller when the numbers are that far off as they've been the last couple times I've flown.

Then again I don't see much point in winning the start over either.

Dan/CorkyJr